Fusing Ascetic Style with others, e.g. Dragon Style


Pathfinder First Edition General Discussion


Even after errata, the master of many styles monk is still a viable dip, yet better for just one level than two. He can easily wear armor, he won't loose anything by doin so.

One idea I have is:

Master of many styles 1 / Mutation Warrior Fighter or Bloodrager for the rest

1: Power Attack
2: Ascetic Style, Stunning Fist, IUS
3: Dragon Style
5: Dragon Ferocity

You are now getting 2x STR on each hit with your (large) Urumi/Temple Sword or Sansetsukon or other weapon from the monk group

Scarab Sages

You are losing BAB. If you don't mind waiting a bit for the fused styles, the Weapon Style Mastery feat allows two styles at once without needing the dip.


Imbicatus wrote:
You are losing BAB. If you don't mind waiting a bit for the fused styles, the Weapon Style Mastery feat allows two styles at once without needing the dip.

Does Weapon Style Mastery work with Ascetic Style plus Dragon Style, because Ascetic Style makes Dragon Style count as a Weapon Style? Because it isn't and is therefore not a legal choice for Weapon Style Mastery.

On the other hand, the one lost BAB is made up for by two free feats (actually three, because you don't need WF) and boost to saves.

Scarab Sages

Weapon Master's Handbook wrote:


Weapon Style Mastery (Style, Weapon Mastery)
You can combine multiple fighting styles together.
Prerequisites: Any two style feats from different styles,
base attack bonus +6, weapon training class feature with a
melee weapon.
Benefit: Choose one weapon style (a style feat that lists
Weapon Focus as a prerequisite) that you have. You can have
the chosen style and a second style active at once. Starting
a stance provided by a style feat is still a swift action, but
you can assume both the chosen weapon style’s stance and
another style’s stance simultaneously using this action.
This ability doesn’t stack with other abilities that allow
you to have multiple styles active at the same time.
Normal: You can have only one style active at once.

You need to have one weapon style. When you activate that style, you can choose another style's stance at the same time. The second style doesn't specify a weapon style.


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The Daring Champion probably has really stupid numbers from the Ascetic/Dragon trick. A strength-based DC with a cestus is getting Precise Strike and 2-handed power attack at the same time. Best of both worlds, right there.


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Imbicatus wrote:
You are losing BAB. If you don't mind waiting a bit for the fused styles, the Weapon Style Mastery feat allows two styles at once without needing the dip.

Use Unchained Monk (MomS) to keep from losing the BaB. MoMS replaces Flurry, bonus feats, and Perfect Self; all things that Unchained Monk has and can give up.

Or you can do what Imbicatus suggested and wait till level 6 fighter to be able to combine the two. I personally think that's a little late in the level progression for your main schtick though.


Chess Pwn wrote:
Richter Harding wrote:
Just to ask, why has noone yet named dragon ferocity with aestic style with 2 Moms levels, get 2x your strength on every swing with a two-handed weapon, what normally needed 7 fighter levels now only requires a two level dip!

I brought up the idea cause of a question

Chess Pwn wrote:

How does Dragon ferocity work with a two-handed weapon using ascetic style?

Dragon ferocity wrote:
While using Dragon Style, increase your Strength bonus on unarmed strike damage rolls by an additional one-half your Strength bonus, to a total of double your Strength bonus on the first attack and 1-1/2 times your Strength bonus on the other attacks.

The first part works fine, but then it has the part, "to a total of..."

Is that meant to clarify how the adding would work or is it setting hard limit of how high the str can go?

someone said no

Arachnofiend wrote:
Hard limit. You get 2x STR on your first attack and 1.5x STR on later attacks. The combination is still quite interesting for, say, a Swashbuckler. Get all the benefits of wielding a 2-hander except it's a 1-hander so you're also getting Precise Strike.
So at the very least, unless you can prove otherwise, you have table variation on if you can dragon a two handed for 2x str.


Hm, so it's better for a TWF build, ok.

I just looked at Snake Style:
This heavily favors a high crit weapon, which unarmed strike usually isn't. And you get to make all your Snake Fang counter attacks with your weapon. Plus you can deal piercing damage with it.

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