Ghost Rider Cavalier and Spiritualist Levels


Rules Questions


I did a search on the forums but didn't find anything definitive.

1. Do Spiritualist levels stack with Ghost Rider Cavalier levels for the purpose of determining a phantom's effective level?

2. If one is yes, does the order in which these classes are taken determine which version of the phantom is advanced? (e.g. if Spiritualist is taken first, does Cavalier advance the humanoid phantom).

3. If two is yes, does the phantom have both sets of abilities (e.g. does the mount keep the mount physical form but gain an emotional focus).

Ghost Mount: (Su)

Spoiler:
At 1st level, a ghost rider gains the ability to manifest a special mount of conjured ectoplasm rather than one of flesh and bone. This spectral companion functions like a spiritualist's phantom companion, using the ghost rider's cavalier level as her effective spiritualist level. The phantom takes the form of a ghostly creature analogous to one of a cavalier's normal mount options for her size and class level, such as a Large horse for a Medium ghost rider or a wolf for a Small ghost rider. A ghost rider must choose a mount that is capable of bearing her weight, that has four or more legs, and that lacks a fly speed (although the GM may allow mounts with a swim speed in certain environments). The GM might approve other animals as suitable mounts.

The ghost rider can manifest her ghost mount only in ectoplasmic form, and she gains the spiritualist's etheric tether class feature, applied to her ghost mount.

The mount shares the cavalier's alignment. Though the mount cannot speak, it understands its master's verbal commands and gains the phantom's link ability. The ghost mount has good Fortitude and Reflex saves, and can have ranks in any of the following skills: Acrobatics (Dex), Climb (Str), Escape Artist (Dex), Fly (Dex), Intimidate (Cha), Perception (Wis), Stealth (Dex), Survival (Wis), and Swim (Str). The ghost rider's ghost mount does not gain the share spells, deliver touch spells, or incorporeal flight abilities. Ghost mounts do not gain emotional focus abilities.

The ghost rider does not take an armor check penalty on Ride checks while riding her mount. The mount is always considered combat trained, and begins play with Endurance as a bonus feat.

Ghost Mount Starting Statistics: Type animal (phantom); Size one size category larger than the ghost rider; Speed 50 ft.; AC +4 natural armor; Attack bite (1d4), 2 hooves (1d6; this is a secondary natural attack); Ability Scores Str 16, Dex 13, Con 15, Int 2, Wis 12, Cha 6.

This ability replaces mount.


My feeling is that they would be incompatible like taking levels of summoner. I doubt there is an official response.


Melkiador wrote:
My feeling is that they would be incompatible like taking levels of summoner. I doubt there is an official response.

I assumed like you at first, but the line "This spectral companion functions like a spiritualist's phantom companion, using the ghost rider's cavalier level as her effective spiritualist level" made me think it might be otherwise.

My inclination is that if they do stack, you just pick one version of the phantom to advance and not the other (e.g. Spiritualist levels taken after Ghost Rider Cavalier advance the mount and Ghost Rider Levels taken after Spiritualist advance the humanoid phantom), but I'm honestly not sure what makes the most sense in this case.

For what it's worth, this would be for PFS so I sort of need a ruling of some sort to even attempt this.


The closest ruling is this, which would imply they don't stack.


Interesting side note, while the prohibition against having a phantom and eidolon out at the same time should apply here too, it does not under a strict reading of RAW. So, I guess you could try to have one phantom ride another.

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