How do you go about defeating Blink?
See Invisibility would reduce the effect, I believe.
Physical attacks against you have a 50% miss chance, and the Blind-Fight feat doesn't help opponents, since you're ethereal and not merely invisible. If the attack is capable of striking ethereal creatures, the miss chance is only 20% (for concealment).
If the attacker can see invisible creatures, the miss chance is also only 20%. (For an attacker who can both see and strike ethereal creatures, there is no miss chance.)
So if you want to completely negate it, I think See Invisibility and a Ghost Touch weapon would do the trick.
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So if you want to completely negate it, I think See Invisibility and a Ghost Touch weapon would do the trick.Physical attacks against you have a 50% miss chance, and the Blind-Fight feat doesn't help opponents, since you're ethereal and not merely invisible. If the attack is capable of striking ethereal creatures, the miss chance is only 20% (for concealment).
If the attacker can see invisible creatures, the miss chance is also only 20%. (For an attacker who can both see and strike ethereal creatures, there is no miss chance.)
See invisibility lets you see invisible enemies, it doesnt help with blink because subject effectively disappears and reappears from the plane, ghost touch also doesnt work because the subject is not stated as unsubstantial, altough guess you could get away with it with your dm
A seeking weapon would defeat blink as it says it goes trough nay kind of miss chance
See invisibility lets you see invisible enemies, it doesnt help with blink because subject effectively disappears and reappears from the plane, ghost touch also doesnt work because the subject is not stated as unsubstantial, altough guess you could get away with it with your dm.So if you want to completely negate it, I think See Invisibility and a Ghost Touch weapon would do the trick.Physical attacks against you have a 50% miss chance, and the Blind-Fight feat doesn't help opponents, since you're ethereal and not merely invisible. If the attack is capable of striking ethereal creatures, the miss chance is only 20% (for concealment).
If the attacker can see invisible creatures, the miss chance is also only 20%. (For an attacker who can both see and strike ethereal creatures, there is no miss chance.)
You "get away" with it because the Blink spell itself says you do. Kolyarut posted the text of the spell, and it clearly says that if you can strike ethereal creatures and see invisible enemies, you have no miss chance.
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You "get away" with it because the Blink spell itself says you do. Kolyarut posted the text of the spell, and it clearly says that if you can strike ethereal creatures and see invisible enemies, you have no miss chance.See invisibility lets you see invisible enemies, it doesnt help with blink because subject effectively disappears and reappears from the plane, ghost touch also doesnt work because the subject is not stated as unsubstantial, altough guess you could get away with it with your dm.So if you want to completely negate it, I think See Invisibility and a Ghost Touch weapon would do the trick.Physical attacks against you have a 50% miss chance, and the Blind-Fight feat doesn't help opponents, since you're ethereal and not merely invisible. If the attack is capable of striking ethereal creatures, the miss chance is only 20% (for concealment).
If the attacker can see invisible creatures, the miss chance is also only 20%. (For an attacker who can both see and strike ethereal creatures, there is no miss chance.)
See invisible: You can see any objects or beings that are invisible within your range of vision, as well as any that are ethereal, as if they were normally visible.
from the blink text
An ethereal creature is invisible, incorporeal, and capable of moving in any direction, even up or down. As an incorporeal creature, you can move through solid objects, including living creatures.
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That's the only place I've been able to find which cites ethereal creatures as being incorporeal (the description of "etherealness" simply states that they are "insubstantial"). I've read some dev posts in the past which indicated that this was a relic of 3.5 which never got updated. As written though, it does seem that blink turns you incorporeal when you're ethereal.
Well to make it more confusing here is a quote from ethereal juant
An ethereal creature is invisible, insubstantial, and capable of moving in any direction, even up or down, albeit at half normal speed. As an insubstantial creature, you can move through solid objects, including living creatures. An ethereal creature can see and hear on the Material Plane, but everything looks gray and ephemeral. Sight and hearing onto the Material Plane are limited to 60 feet.
they replace incorporeal with insubstantial.
The Blink spell (on both the d20pfrd and Paizo reference site), specifically, states the target becomes ethereal which gives both the Invisible and Incorporeal effects. (Both sites even link the effects). However, there seems to be contention as to just what effects an ethereal creature and what does not.
My question specifically deals with what does it take to hit, reduce, or avoid the effects of a Blink spell. It is known that the See Invisibility spell works against this. But, does the Ghost Touch effect work? By my reading it should. If I am wrong, how am I wrong?
I think that's right. The only reason ethereality makes you resistant to weapons is that it makes you incorporeal, which Ghost Touch overcomes.
Ok, here is my scenario:
My Eidolon is trying to attack a Blinking target. Normally it could only hit 50% of the time due to Blink. By casting Greater Evolution Surge: Shadow Form (and Shadow Blend for 50% concealment) the Eidolon can attack the Blinking target regardless of which plane it is currently on. 80% of the time it will be on the Prime Material plane - subject to 50% damage due to Shadow Form. When on the Ethereal plane, 20% of the time, it is hit for full damage.
However, being able to attack ethereal creatures reduces the 50% miss rate to a 20% chance...supposedly making it easier to intentionally target the Blinking creature. Normally this favors attacking in the Prime Material plane. But this appears to be based by choice. Can that choice be to attack when the Blinking creature is in the Ethereal plane? I would think you could switch, by choice, which plane the 20% miss rate is applied too. In this example missing half damage 20% of the time, rather than full damage. Keeping in mind the ability to attack or see hangs on the weakness of Blinking, not actually effecting the spell itself.
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Well to make it more confusing here is a quote from ethereal juant
An ethereal creature is invisible, insubstantial, and capable of moving in any direction, even up or down, albeit at half normal speed. As an insubstantial creature, you can move through solid objects, including living creatures. An ethereal creature can see and hear on the Material Plane, but everything looks gray and ephemeral. Sight and hearing onto the Material Plane are limited to 60 feet.
they replace incorporeal with insubstantial.
insubstantial - having no substance
incorporeal - having no body
as far as a this rule system (one that includes bodies made of pretty much any kind of substance)is concerned these words are interchangeable when you are talking about a creature