Dwarven Paladin no Dex or Lower Cha?

[DonKalleOne]

Even before this starts I want a Dwarv and no other Race.

I have 2 Attribut Builds.
Nr 1 has Dex but 15 Cha which lowers the Resi Saves and LoH but will be 16@ LvL4.
16/13/14/10/10/15

The Second Build has no Dex which hurts Ranged AC and Ref saves .
16/10/14/10/10/16

I play on PFS and plan a PA/Cleave build with a Dwarfen Longhammer(Reach). Since I learned either there are to many or BigBadBoss for which I have Smite.

Which would you prefer?

[Imbicatus]

Have you looked at the Stonelord? They have no need for CHA.

Regardless, there is no way I would have more than a 14 starting CHA on a dwarf paladin. They don't need Divine Grace's boost to saves thanks to hardy/glory of old/steel soul, and spells/lay on hands will be fine with a 14.

[Hmm]

Stonelord Paladin is the way to go. They rock -- literally. No need for charisma, and they can take out all the hardness monsters and they get an earth elemental pet. Honestly, it's one of the best archetypes out there!

[DonKalleOne]

A nice Archtype but the Stelward Defence Stance is way way too concentrated on 1 Position. The Enemy moves and I have to break it.

EDIT And why shouldn't I use Charisma..he still ahs LoH.

[Guru-Meditation]

I'd even go for: 16/13/14/12/10/14.

More skillpoints is never wrong. Also allows to focus on STR. 14 is enough CHA on a dwarfen Paladin.

But i do value skillpoints higher than many other players. If you are among them, id advice for the "16/13/14/10/10/15"-row.

[Dekalinder]

DonKalleOne wrote:

A nice Archtype but the Stelward Defence Stance is way way too concentrated on 1 Position. The Enemy moves and I have to break it.

EDIT And why shouldn't I use Charisma..he still ahs LoH.

Grab Extra LoH and that is like having 14 CHA.

[Zenogu]

I'll chime in with everyone else here too. Stonelord might be my favorite Dwarven archetype there is.

The DR is /adamantine, but not many opponents are ever going to overcome that.

[Imbicatus]

DonKalleOne wrote:

A nice Archtype but the Stelward Defence Stance is way way too concentrated on 1 Position. The Enemy moves and I have to break it.

The Halting Blow defensive power combined with the Difficult Swings mastery feat will make it almost impossible for a foe to escape you when in a defensive stance. Even if you have to end the stance, you can use your one mercy to hit yourself with a lay on hands and remove the fatigued condition.

[DonKalleOne]

you dont have any mercys as a stonelord...i search for a build that working till 5 after that its to late.

[Imbicatus]

No you gain a single mercy at 6th level. You can use that to remove fatigue.

[calagnar]

I used this for my PFS dwarf paladin.
Str 17
Dex 11
Con 16
Int 10
Wis 9
Cha 12

You don't need much in the way of cha. And you can and should get a cha item. Even with a low starting Cha. I still have more then enough base HP that I don't need the extra lay on hands. The extra to hit on smite would be nice. I did start with a good Str score so I don't have problems hitting. Minus my dice rolling ability.

[plaidwandering]

Stat blocks in OP don't seem pfs legal, if we are seeing pre-racial that adds up to 25, post its more