Hi i'll play a dwarf bloodrager (arcane bloodline)... what do you think about my progression feats?
1 Power Attack
2
3 Cleave
4
5 Greate Cleave
6 Iron Will (Arcane bloodline)
7 Reckless Rage
8
9 Recovered Rage, Improved Initiative (Arcane bloodline)
10
11 Cleave Through
12 Combat Reflexes (Arcane bloodline)
13 Raging Brutality
14
15 Raging Vitality, Quick Draw (Arcane bloodline)
Now I use an earth breaker...my idea is to cleave many enemies...and killing them,i can recovery rounds of rage....what do you think?
Cleave is good at low levels. Great cleave is only good if your GM likes to really bog you down with swarms of enemies.
I also really like the raging vitality feat and would pick it up earlier instead of great cleave.
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I'm a fan of the Arcane Strike feat line since Bloodragers have CL 5 at lvl 5, so they right off the bat get that +2 to damage off Arcane Strike. Riving Strike will make your casters love you, and Blooded Arcane Strike will help your action economy by getting you back your swift actions Arcane Strike had been taking away. Cleave just isn't that worth it. Also if you're taking Raging Vitality that's something you typically want at lvl 1 or 3.
I'm a fan of the Arcane Strike feat line since Bloodragers have CL 5 at lvl 5, so they right off the bat get that +2 to damage off Arcane Strike. Riving Strike will make your casters love you, and Blooded Arcane Strike will help your action economy by getting you back your swift actions Arcane Strike had been taking away. Cleave just isn't that worth it. Also if you're taking Raging Vitality that's something you typically want at lvl 1 or 3.
Not entirely sure what blooded arcane strike is used for.
While there might be some ferreted away in the various bloodlines, bloodragers don't look like they use swift actions much (no visible class abilities, not enough spell levels to do quickened).
Is this just opening things up for feats and magic items?
But anyway- yes, arcane and riving strike are fantastic. They come up more often greater cleave, at the very least.
Is this just opening things up for feats and magic items?
Pretty much. Obviously if swift actions are of no concern then save the feat and grab something else definitely, maybe Cornugon Smash if you're the intimidating type, which meshes nicely with Riving Strike.
Pretty much. Obviously if swift actions are of no concern then save the feat and grab something else definitely, maybe Cornugon Smash if you're the intimidating type, which meshes nicely with Riving Strike.
Is this just opening things up for feats and magic items?
Well, if you are going with Cornugon Smash, then you might want the swift action to get hurtful, so that you get another hit in on anyone you intimidate.
Well i'm still level 2 bloodrager dwarf....
My stats are: Str 15 Cos 16 Des 12 Cha 12 Wis 12 Int 7 (15 points campaign)
i take combat reflex... only because the others bloodline's feats require to be a fighter (as disruptive or spellbreaker...)
Mmhh i think i will take Arcan Strike over Greater Cleave...
My first idea was to cleave enemies...and by killing them, recovery rounds of rage (with the feat Recovered Rage)...
What do you thinik about it?
Why would you want extra rage rounds? Recovered Rage or Extra rage only really comes up if you multi-class out of Barbarian/Bloodrager.
You get recovered Rage at level 9. At that point you have 23 rounds of rage, which should be enough to last 4-5 combats anyway.
I second getting Cornugon Smash and Hurtful, which is about equal in damage to Raging Brutality anyway, without costing you precious rage rounds.
Why would you want extra rage rounds? Recovered Rage or Extra rage only really comes up if you multi-class out of Barbarian/Bloodrager.
You get recovered Rage at level 9. At that point you have 23 rounds of rage, which should be enough to last 4-5 combats anyway.
Eh to use Raging Brutality many times in a combat...i need a lot of rage's round... so with Recovered Rage i can recovery many rounds...at least i hope so xD
I second getting Cornugon Smash and Hurtful, which is about equal in damage to Raging Brutality anyway, without costing you precious rage rounds.
i can't take Cornugon Smash and Hurtful...my master forbids the manuals where they are :/
So i modify my build with your advices.... (down cleave tree... up arcan strike tree). What do you think?
1 Power Attack
2
3 Cleave
4
5 Arcan Strike
6 Iron Will (Arcane bloodline)
7 Reckless Rage
8
9 Arcan Strike Blooded, Improved Initiative (Arcane bloodline)
10
11 Recovered Rage
12 Combat Reflexes (Arcane bloodline)
13 Raging Brutality
14
15 Raging Vitality, Quick Draw (Arcane bloodline)
With Arcan Strike Blooded i can use Arcan Strike and Raging Brutality with only a swift action ;)
i take combat reflex... only because the others bloodline's feats require to be a fighter (as disruptive or spellbreaker...)
Note that your bloodrager levels count as fighter levels for qualifying for your bonus feats.
Note that your bloodrager levels count as fighter levels for qualifying for your bonus feats.i take combat reflex... only because the others bloodline's feats require to be a fighter (as disruptive or spellbreaker...)
I am an idiot and cannot read. I missed the word bonus, and reckoned he meant for all feats.
Mea Culpa, and thanks for clearing that up :)
(Your bloodrager levels count as fighter levels for the purposes of qualifying for any feats marked with an asterisk
it's right in with the bonus feats for the arcane bloodline.
Removed, above posts ninjaed my point and made the original text sound way too dickish.
Free advice for the day, round two.
Insulting one of the people giving you free, accurate, and helpful information will make you no friends and likely reduce the quantity and quality of help received in the future.
As the poster above noted the information you want is in the section on bonus feats for the arcane bloodline.
You're welcome.
Saying "actually, I just think you are wrong" is not an insult. It is somebody saying he thinks you made a mistake. Though perhaps the written word in not my native language made that sound more harsh than I meant it to be!
Actually, why you were writing your reply I was writing mine after reading Chess Pawn's clarification. I missed the word bonus feat and jumped to the conclusion that you meant for all feats in general.
Actually, I just think I was wrong :). My apologies for being somewhat hasty in my reply. No harm no foul right?!
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So i modify my build with your advices.... (down cleave tree... up arcan strike tree). What do you think?
1 Power Attack
2
3 Cleave
4
5 Arcan Strike
6 Iron Will (Arcane bloodline)
7 Reckless Rage
8
9 Arcan Strike Blooded, Improved Initiative (Arcane bloodline)
10
11 Recovered Rage
12 Combat Reflexes (Arcane bloodline)
13 Raging Brutality
14
15 Raging Vitality, Quick Draw (Arcane bloodline)With Arcan Strike Blooded i can use Arcan Strike and Raging Brutality with only a swift action ;)
I'm a fan of the spelleater/primalist Arcetype combo. But if your not that is ok.
I would take raging Vitality earlier...like WAYYYYYY earlier...Like level 1.
I'm not a fan of Cleave. Its a pretty bad feat...further down the chain to cleaving finish is a bit better but you still end up with Cleave.
Here is my suggestion:
1: Raging Vitality (Use a quickdraw Shield and 1 handed weapon that you can 2 hand)
3: Power attack
5: Arcane strike
6*: Combat Reflexes (now use a 2 handed Reach Weapon)
7: Arcane Strike
9: Improved Critical (For your Reach weapon of choice)
9*: Iron Will
11: Bloodied Arcane Strike
12*: Disruptive or Improved Initiative (Dealer's Choice)
13: Raging Brutality
15: Steel Soul
15*: Spell Breaker (if you took Disruptive)
I would consider taking the Primalist archetype to replace at least the level 12 bloodline power, which is pretty lame. If you're willing to give up the level 4 power as well, you can open up a whole chain of powers, like Beast Totem or Superstition -> Spell Sunder.
Free advice for the day, round two.
Insulting one of the people giving you free, accurate, and helpful information will make you no friends and likely reduce the quantity and quality of help received in the future.
As the poster above noted the information you want is in the section on bonus feats for the arcane bloodline.
You're welcome.
Saying "actually, I just think you are wrong" is not an insult. It is somebody saying he thinks you made a mistake. Though perhaps the written word in not my native language made that sound more harsh than I meant it to be!
Actually, why you were writing your reply I was writing mine after reading Chess Pawn's clarification. I missed the word bonus feat and jumped to the conclusion that you meant for all feats in general.
Actually, I just think I was wrong :). My apologies for being sommailewhat hasty in my reply. No harm no foul right?!
So it looks like there were a few posts and edits crossing through the ether on this, and a few hastily written replies, and several folks trying to help a poor dwarf break more faces. Shall we all move on with the latter and try not to repeat the former? On with the headbreaking advice!
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I agree with the level 12 primalist pick up.
But the arcane level 4 power gives good abilities. And if I remember correctly you can't trade off the level 4 because your level 8 power is a extension of your level 4 ability. Pounce is good but I really enjoy the blur into Displacement on the front line. That free action layered defense is super strong.
But if you can still get your level 8 and trade off your level 4 then yes beast totem is a way to go to get pounce, natural attacks, and natural armor.
I can't see anything that says you won't gain Greater Arcane Bloodrage if you don't have Arcane Bloodrage. If you simply read Greater Arcane Bloodrage alone it tells you to reference how the previous one works, but it doesn't require it.
Losing level 4 Arcane Bloodrage is definitely annoying, but in the big picture I don't think any of the abilities it grants are as significant as what can be gained.
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It makes sense. I just figured you can't get a Greater ability without first gaining the base ability.
In that case Trading out your 4, 12, and 16 Powers you can easily get:
Lesser Beast totem, beast totem, Greater beast totem, Come and Get me, Supersition and Witch hunter.
That is a big trade off but I think it is worth it. Even if you give up the ability to turn into a dragon as a free action. Come and Get me is much stronger getting a lot more attacks in a round.
ok... so with this build
1 Power Attack
2
3 (Cleave) ????
4
5 Arcan Strike
6 Iron Will (Arcane bloodline)
7 Reckless Rage
8
9 Arcan Strike Blooded, Improved Initiative (Arcane bloodline)
10
11 Recovered Rage
12 Combat Reflexes (Arcane bloodline)
13 Raging Brutality
14
15 Raging Vitality, Disruptive (Arcane bloodline)
what about cleave at 3 level??? I advance Raging Vitality from 15 level up to 3 level? and what about lvl 15 so?...or insert an other feat instead of Cleave??? Or keep Cleave?
Thanks for your advice ;)