Ascetic Style + Kinetic Fist?

[Darche Schneider]

Ascetic Style + Kinetic Fist?

Just wondering for those of you who are in the know, would these actually work together?

[Chess Pwn]

Good question. I think yes, it's adding damage to an unarmed attack and isn't "can only be done with" an unarmed strike like pummeling style.

[Carla the Profane]

It's the whole "augment your..." discussion again from before the feral combat training errata...

[Imbicatus]

According to the Feral Combat Training FAQ (which is no longer valid for FCT), it's an effect that augments an unarmed strike, it would work.

Also, this will only work for a non-elemental fist Kineticist as they have a limiter that you can only use fists.

It's still an awful power compared to Kinetic Blade, even if you combine it with Ascetic Form.

[Cyd the Arcmagi]

My question is could I use Ascetic Style, to pull off a Pummeling Charge, and Dragon style combo with a Temple sword?
I know you would need a way to have more styles going at once. But if you could have 3 styles running at once (like a Style Fighter, or Master of many styles) would it work?
To me it seems so.

[Imbicatus]

No, because Pummeling style can only be used with unarmed strikes, no matter what other abilities you may have.

[Darche Schneider]

They seem to be getting into a lot more of "This thing ignores all other things you have."

[The Mortonator]

Even if Ascetic Strike's wording doesn't allow it, Ascetic Form's does. The comparison to style strikes even suggests the fist only Flurry of Blows could use this style.

Imbicatus wrote:

It's still an awful power compared to Kinetic Blade, even if you combine it with Ascetic Form.

Not really.

You can argue it's still too expensive for a build, but combining it with Ascetic Form can seriously up the power. Kinetic Blade has a lot of minor and easily overlooked drawbacks that Kinetic Fist doesn't.

Kinetic Blade has a once on your turn drawback. Kinetic Fist is basically whenever you are attacking. It's free damage that ignores spell resistance! It scales poorly, but it can be applied judiciously. If you have an offhand attack, hey that's free damage! And none of the text on d20 I've read prevents you from using Kinetic Fist and Kinetic Blade in the same round. It doesn't have to be X or Y, it can be both.

Furthermore, you are opening up the option of magical weapons and typically Monk centric feats and tactics.