Steadfast Personalty and Mind-Affecting Effects


Rules Questions


Steadfast Personality allows you to add your Charisma bonus on will saves versus mind-affecting effects. I just want to know, what counts as a mind-affecting effect? I had the idea that any save where Will was used was basically already 'mind-affecting', but I'm pretty sure that's not what it's supposed to mean.

Advice would be appreciated.

Grand Lodge

Spells will note if they are mind-affecting, in the spell descriptor.

Other abilities will say "this is a mind-affecting effect" in their description.

That's it.


blackbloodtroll wrote:

Spells will note if they are mind-affecting, in the spell descriptor.

Other abilities will say "this is a mind-affecting effect" in their description.

That's it.

Thanks. I don't suppose there's any convenient list of all these, is there?

Grand Lodge

Spells, or abilities?


It is a descriptor that some spells use.


I can't seem to find a list but most Will saves are mind affecting.

Some notable exceptions include:

Plane Shift

Glitterdust

Trap the Soul

Silent Image (The disbelief ones mainly, Phantasmal Killer has the Mind-Affecting tag mainly due to the Fear Effect)

Magic Jar

Slow

You can narrow some more down with This Table (use the Descriptor Column to sort by Mind-Affecting).
Hope that helps a little at least.

Grand Lodge

Here are most of the spells listed with the descriptor:

Mind-Affecting Spells:
Litany Of Madness (Lvl *)
Daze (Lvl 0)
Lullaby (Lvl 0)
Sotto Voce (Lvl 0*)
Unwitting Ally (Lvl 0)
Abadar's Truthtelling (Lvl 1)
Bane (Lvl 1)
Beguiling Gift (Lvl 1)
Bless (Lvl 1)
Blessing Of The Watch (Lvl 1)
Call Animal (Lvl 1)
Calm Animals (Lvl 1)
Cause Fear (Lvl 1)
Challenge Evil (Lvl 1)
Charm Animal (Lvl 1)
Charm Person (Lvl 1)
Color Spray (Lvl 1)
Command (Lvl 1)
Compel Hostility (Lvl 1)
Confusion, Lesser (Lvl 1)
Delusional Pride (Lvl 1)
Discern Next Of Kin (Lvl 1)
Doom (Lvl 1)
Fairness (Lvl 1*)
Fairness (Lvl 1*)
Forbid Action (Lvl 1)
Fumbletongue (Lvl 1)
Haze of Dreams (Lvl 1*)
Haze Of Dreams (Lvl 1)
Hunter's Howl (Lvl 1)
Hypnotism (Lvl 1)
Ill Omen (Lvl 1)
Knight's Calling (Lvl 1)
Litany of Sloth (Lvl 1)
Lock Gaze (Lvl 1)
Memorize Page (Lvl 1)
Memory Lapse (Lvl 1)
Moment of Greatness (Lvl 1)
Murderous Command (Lvl 1)
Nereid's Grace (Lvl 1)
Pick Your Poison (Lvl 1)
Rally Point (Lvl 1)
Saving Finale (Lvl 1)
Sleep (Lvl 1)
Sow Thought (Lvl 1)
Toilsome Chant (Lvl 1)
Unbreakable Heart (Lvl 1)
Unprepared Combatant (Lvl 1)
Wrath (Lvl 1)
Aid (Lvl 2)
Animal Messenger (Lvl 2*)
Animal Purpose Training (Lvl 2*)
Animal Trance (Lvl 2)
Anonymous Interaction (Lvl 2)
Bestow Weapon Proficiency (Lvl 2)
Blessing Of Luck And Resolve (Lvl 2)
Cacophonous Call (Lvl 2)
Calm Emotions (Lvl 2)
Castigate (Lvl 2)
Compassionate Ally (Lvl 2)
Confess (Lvl 2)
Daze Monster (Lvl 2*)
Detect Thoughts (Lvl 2)
Enshroud Thoughts (Lvl 2*)
Enthrall (Lvl 2)
Ghoul Hunger (Lvl 2)
Hideous Laughter (Lvl 2*)
Hold Animal (Lvl 2)
Hypnotic Pattern (Lvl 2)
Investigative Mind (Lvl 2)
Jitterbugs (Lvl 2*)
Litany Of Eloquence (Lvl 2*)
Miserable Pity (Lvl 2)
Oppressive Boredom (Lvl 2)
Qualm (Lvl 2)
Righteous Vigor (Lvl 2*)
Scare (Lvl 2)
Seducer's Eyes (Lvl 2)
Seducer's Eyes (Lvl 2)
Spell Gauge (Lvl 2)
Spell Gauge (Lvl 2*)
Stalwart Resolve (Lvl 2*)
Tactical Acumen (Lvl 2*)
Tactical Miscalculation (Lvl 2)
Touch of Idiocy (Lvl 2)
Touch Of Mercy (Lvl 2)
Unnatural Lust (Lvl 2*)
Vexing Miscalculation (Lvl 2)
Wartrain Mount (Lvl 2*)
Zone of Truth (Lvl 2)
Agonizing Rebuke (Lvl 3*)
Blood Rage (Lvl 3*)
Charitable Impulse (Lvl 3*)
Companion Mind Link (Lvl 3)
Deep Slumber (Lvl 3)
Dominate Animal (Lvl 3)
Domination Link (Lvl 3)
False Alibi (Lvl 3*)
False Alibi (Lvl 3)
Good Hope (Lvl 3)
Haunting Choir (Lvl 3)
Heroism (Lvl 3*)
Hold Person (Lvl 3*)
Hydrophobia (Lvl 3*)
Illusory Poison (Lvl 3)
Illusory Script (Lvl 3)
Loathsome Veil (Lvl 3)
Lover's Vengeance (Lvl 3)
Marks Of Forbiddance (Lvl 3)
Martial Marionette (Lvl 3)
Mindlocked Messenger (Lvl 3*)
Minor Dream (Lvl 3*)
Nixie's Lure (Lvl 3*)
Prayer (Lvl 3)
Pugwampi's Grace (Lvl 3*)
Rage (Lvl 3*)
Reckless Infatuation (Lvl 3*)
Seek Thoughts (Lvl 3)
Suggestion (Lvl 3*)
Unadulterated Loathing (Lvl 3*)
Wall Of Nausea (Lvl 3)
Antithetical Constraint (Lvl 4)
Apparent Treachery (Lvl 4*)
Aura of Doom (Lvl 4)
Aura of the Unremarkable (Lvl 4*)
Battle Trance (Lvl 4*)
Blaze of Glory (Lvl 4)
Charm Monster (Lvl 4*)
Confusion (Lvl 4*)
Control Summoned Creature (Lvl 4*)
Coward's Lament (Lvl 4)
Crushing Despair (Lvl 4*)
Daze, Mass (Lvl 4)
Debilitating Portent (Lvl 4)
Denounce (Lvl 4)
Fear (Lvl 4*)
Forced Repentance (Lvl 4)
Forgetful Slumber (Lvl 4)
Geas, Lesser (Lvl 4*)
Heroic Finale (Lvl 4)
Malicious Spite (Lvl 4*)
Minor Phantom Object (Lvl 4)
Modify Memory (Lvl 4)
Moonstruck (Lvl 4)
Overwhelming Grief (Lvl 4*)
Phantasmal Killer (Lvl 4)
Primal Scream (Lvl 4)
Rainbow Pattern (Lvl 4)
Sacrifice (Lvl 4)
Shared Wrath (Lvl 4)
Sleepwalk (Lvl 4)
Stay the Hand (Lvl 4)
Symbol Of Laughter (Lvl 4)
Terrain Bond (Lvl 4)
Terrible Remorse (Lvl 4*)
Triggered Suggestion (Lvl 4*)
Wandering Star Motes (Lvl 4)
Burst Of Glory (Lvl 5*)
Cacophonous Call, Mass (Lvl 5)
Castigate, Mass (Lvl 5)
Command, Greater (Lvl 5)
Constricting Coils (Lvl 5)
Curse Of Disgust (Lvl 5*)
Dominate Person (Lvl 5*)
Dream (Lvl 5)
Feast On Fear (Lvl 5*)
Feeblemind (Lvl 5)
Foe to Friend (Lvl 5)
Forbid Action, Greater (Lvl 5)
Frozen Note (Lvl 5)
Hold Monster (Lvl 5*)
Hymn Of Mercy (Lvl 5)
Illusory Hoard (Lvl 5*)
Languid Bomb Admixture (Lvl 5)
Major Phantom Object (Lvl 5)
Mind Fog (Lvl 5)
Nightmare (Lvl 5)
Phantasmal Web (Lvl 5)
Sequester Thoughts (Lvl 5*)
Smug Narcissism (Lvl 5*)
Song of Discord (Lvl 5)
Stunning Finale (Lvl 5)
Symbol of Sleep (Lvl 5)
Village Veil (Lvl 5)
Banshee Blast (Lvl 6)
Battlemind Link (Lvl 6*)
Bless Army (Lvl 6)
Blessing Of Luck And Resolve, Mass (Lvl 6*)
Cloak of Dreams (Lvl 6*)
Envious Urge (Lvl 6*)
Fool's Forbiddance (Lvl 6)
Geas/Quest (Lvl 6*)
Heroism, Greater (Lvl 6*)
Pied Piping (Lvl 6)
Serenity (Lvl 6*)
Suggestion, Mass (Lvl 6*)
Symbol of Fear (Lvl 6)
Symbol of Persuasion (Lvl 6)
Unconscious Agenda (Lvl 6)
Vengeful Outrage (Lvl 6*)
Hold Person, Mass (Lvl 7)
Insanity (Lvl 7)
Phantasmal Revenge (Lvl 7)
Power Word Blind (Lvl 7)
Symbol of Stunning (Lvl 7)
Vision of Lamashtu (Lvl 7*)
Waves of Ecstasy (Lvl 7*)
Antipathy (Lvl 8*)
Binding (Lvl 8*)
Charm Monster, Mass (Lvl 8*)
Demand (Lvl 8)
Euphoric Tranquility (Lvl 8*)
Irresistible Dance (Lvl 8*)
Power Word Stun (Lvl 8)
Prediction of Failure (Lvl 8)
Scintillating Pattern (Lvl 8)
Symbol Of Debauchery (Lvl 8*)
Symbol of Insanity (Lvl 8)
Sympathy (Lvl 8*)
Dominate Monster (Lvl 9*)
Heroic Invocation (Lvl 9)
Hold Monster, Mass (Lvl 9)
Overwhelming Presence (Lvl 9*)
Power Word Kill (Lvl 9)
Symbol of Strife (Lvl 9)
Weird (Lvl 9)


There are also some spells that don't have the mind-affecting tag but are still mind-affecting in some way, typically through some secondary effect, like dazzling blade. All enchantment spells and effects, and all illusion(pattern) and illusion(phantasm) spell and effects are mind-affecting, regardless of tag, as it is built into their school descriptions.

Grand Lodge

Calth wrote:
There are also some spells that don't have the mind-affecting tag but are still mind-affecting in some way, typically through some secondary effect, like dazzling blade. All enchantment spells and effects, and all illusion(pattern) and illusion(phantasm) spell and effects are mind-affecting, regardless of tag, as it is built into their school descriptions.

No. A spell is mind-effecting, if it has the mind-effecting descriptor.

This exceptionally false, when it comes to illusions, which many seem to misunderstand.
Most illusion magic is not mind-effecting.

Common misconception.


Mind-Affecting, d20pfsrd wrote:

Mind-Affecting

Enchantment spells affect the minds of others, influencing or controlling their behavior. A mind-affecting spell works only against creatures with an Intelligence score of 1 or higher.

All enchantments, illusion (patterns), and illusion (phantasms) are mind-affecting.

Calth is right. If you hunt down the Enchantments part and the Illusions part in the CRB magic section, you'll see that they're all automatically mind-affecting.

Grand Lodge

I misunderstood the post.


Please be advised that Steadfast Personality no longer does that and has been errata'd to replace Wisdom with Charisma for will saving throws, but still applies the Wisdom modifier, if negative, to will saving throws.

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