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It seems that since the Ley Line Guardian archetype is a spontaneous caster and has a class feature keyed to charisma that it should also Charisma instead of Intelligence as the caster stat. It is also oddly short. Was something truncated accidentally? Is there supposed to be additional text explaining that Charisma is now the main stat?
I guess you are right. Perhaps it was the brevity of the entry right at the end of the chapter just made it look half-done.
Necroing, as the description specifically says the witch gains spells as a sorcerer:
She knows the same number of spells and receives the same number of spell slots per day as a sorcerer of her witch level.
Emphasis mine
Like other spellcasters, a sorcerer can cast only a certain number of spells of each spell level per day. Her base daily spell allotment is given on Table: Sorcerer. In addition, she receives bonus spells per day if she has a high Charisma score (see Table: Ability Modifiers and Bonus Spells).
A sorcerer's selection of spells is extremely limited. A sorcerer begins play knowing four 0-level spells and two 1st-level spells of her choice. At each new sorcerer level, she gains one or more new spells, as indicated on Table: Sorcerer Spells Known. (Unlike spells per day, the number of spells a sorcerer knows is not affected by her Charisma score; the numbers on Table: Sorcerer Spells Known are fixed.) These new spells can be common spells chosen from the sorcerer/wizard spell list, or they can be unusual spells that the sorcerer has gained some understanding of through study.
Upon reaching 4th level, and at every even-numbered sorcerer level after that (6th, 8th, and so on), a sorcerer can choose to learn a new spell in place of one she already knows. In effect, the sorcerer loses the old spell in exchange for the new one. The new spell's level must be the same as that of the spell being exchanged. A sorcerer may swap only a single spell at any given level, and must choose whether or not to swap the spell at the same time that she gains new spells known for the level.
Emphasis mine.
Most of the text is left in tact here because it is all relevant. Does a Ley Line guardian gain bonus spells based off her Charisma modifier, but uses her Intelligence to determine DCs and spell access? Does the archetype leave spellcasting alone and have it entirely based on INT?The rules are not clear.
The additional spell slots are still based on intelligence.
The additional spell slots are still based on intelligence.
Is there a source of clarification on this?
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Well, the archetype would have to specifically change that in order for it to change.
Look at the Eldritch Scion Magus archetype. It explicitly says "In addition, he receives bonus spells per day if he has a high Charisma score."
The Ley Line Guardian archetype has no such language. It doesn't change the casting stat at all, so the bonus spells come off intelligence, just like the base witch. Actually, these two archetypes are an excellent case study in what language is needed in order to completely change the casting stat of a class.
If it helps, the rules do seemingly distinguish between "spells per daY" and "additional spells per day", the latter meaning bonus spells/day AFAIK. The separate mention of "additional"(/bonus) is un-needed if they are included within "spells/day", thus the rules seem treat them separately in this context, i.e. "additional spells/day" are not a special sub-set but are a distinct class. (quotes from Eldritch Knight but pretty much standard boilerplate) So the "same number of spell slots per day as a sorcerer" line doesn't necessarily invoke Sorc's BONUS spell slot rules (CHA based).
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Regarding witches in particular, the pre-errata text of the scarred witch doctor might be useful for consultation as well. That's what I used as my reference when I made an actual Charisma-based witch archetype for Wayfinder #14.
Of course, the moral of the Ley Line Guardian archetype and the Scarred Witch Doctor Errata is that you're not allowed to have a Witch who can't spell.
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Regarding witches in particular, the pre-errata text of the scarred witch doctor might be useful for consultation as well. That's what I used as my reference when I made an actual Charisma-based witch archetype for Wayfinder #14.Of course, the moral of the Ley Line Guardian archetype and the Scarred Witch Doctor Errata is that you're not allowed to have a Witch who can't spell.
So that they all know which witch is which?
^Because the sheer number of Witch archetypes is approaching the point at which certain presidential candidates won't be able to keep track of them all.
Well, that depends. Which leads to an important piece of witch build advice: Don't take a Duck familiar, or if you do, make sure you pack a few pounds on and make sure that your Familiar stays on a diet.
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I still feel this archetype should have been a charisma caster but something got lost in the editing. I have no proof though.