Action economy recovery

[shroudb]

There are plenty of occasions where your action economy changes during your round. What happens to the action economy of that round, do you recover it, or do you lose it?

A few examples:

You are "slowed" so you are staggered (only 1 move or standard). You use your standard action to dispel the slow with a haste of your own. Do you have now a move action?

You are dying but have diehard. You heal yourself with your standard action, do you have now a move action left?

You are under a poison that causes daze. As per poison rules, you can choose when to make the save, you choose the beginning of your round and make the save. Do you have your full allotment of actions left now?

etc

[Fuzzy-Wuzzy]

That is an excellent question. I do not believe it can be answered from RAW. You need to ask your GM, and you should expect table variance.

If you are the GM, the best I can do is say that I, personally, would rule it in the character's favor.

[alexd1976]

I would say you recover it, yeah...

I mean, if the thing reducing the actions is removed... those are YOUR actions to take, take them!

[Dave Justus]

I would rule that the action 'pool' is set at the start of a creatures turn, so they wouldn't 'get then back' but I don't know of any direct raw support for this though.

[shroudb]

as far as i know, there is no raw supporting either side.

some people would run it like dave, "setting the action pool in the beginning of the round" some people would ssee it like "you have 1 standard if you are staggered, if you use it your turn ends, even thought you just removed the staggered", other people would run it like alex, and allow recovery.

this isn't an issue about being a gm or a player, thought i most often than not gm myself, the few times it had come up i ruled it depending on the situation (if the players needed a helping hand i would give them the actions, if not i wouldn't), but it is more of a rules issue with stuff happening TO your action economy DURING it, either bad or good things.

so i would like some clarification on that if possible, or at least more opinions to set a sizeable pool of judgements to at least point towards how the community in general sees it.

[kinevon]

Dave Justus wrote:

I would rule that the action 'pool' is set at the start of a creatures turn, so they wouldn't 'get then back' but I don't know of any direct raw support for this though.

Just something to think about on this one:

Creature or PC X has 8 hit points at the start of their turn, nothing affecting their normal action economy.
For their first action in the turn, they do something that provokes an AoO, and take 8 points of damage, leaving them at 0 hit points.

Are they immediately staggered, and lose whatever action they had left, because they only get a single action, either move or standard; or do they still get to take whatever kind of action they had left anyhow? And, if you rule the second way, if it is a standard, and they use it to do something that requires a standard, do they lose a hit point then, or not, since the other effect of staggered is not being applied immediately?

For me, as a GM, I apply such status changes in their entirety immediately, so it is possible to gain or lose part of your turn if your status changes.

Then again, I am lenient, and do not impose the hit point cost if the action you did on your standard would increase your hit point total to a positive number (drink a potion of CLW or something like that, for example)