grit and panache pool, and same source / double dipping

[ibuprofen87]

Per the ACG:

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characters with a mix of grit, luck, and panache, they pool the resources together into a combined pool. (Those who use panache and luck gain twice their Charisma bonus in their pool.)

This made me suggest to a swashbuckler friend the possibility of taking a dip in gunslinger, since he was complaining about running out of panache, and liked the flavor of a pistol as a range weapon.

I further noticed that RAW mysterious stranger would seem to DOUBLE his panache pool for a 1 point dip. I did a google search and turned up a thread debating this point, and linking to a larger thread full of rules lawyers battling about the nuances surrounding ability sources, bonus types, double dipping, etc.

I also found some a source dated from within the past couple of weeks (https://pcgenorg.atlassian.net/browse/DATA-2487) which suggests there is an errata to directly contradict my source, but as seems to be the case I don't know where to look for errata and end up mostly confused.

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2) p.102 box on Grit, Luck and Panache

which is errata'd to read "those who use panache and luch do not gain twice their Charisma bonus..."

My best conclusion is that the INTENTION is that an attribute never contribute to the same thing twice (double dip), regardless of how it effects that change. A rules lawyer might say "but grit is not panache, they merely act in exactly the same ways!" to which a GM might say "no, you're wrong, end of discussion".

So it seems that (for instance) a swashbuckler might dip gunslinger 1 to good effect - getting wisdom to his panache pool - but not charisma through mysterious stranger. I'm curious if that conclusion is correct, and why, (and is there any collected repository of errata? I understanding interpreting things RAI and using discretion but I'm a power-gamer at heart and prefer an objective standard when possible).

[Grey_Mage]

The product page has the errata available for download. I did not see any mention of the errata you descibed above.

We know by RAW grit panache and luck combine into a single pool.

We know an exception is made to specifically allow luck and panache both relying on charisma to stack.

Anything beyond that is open to interpretation. I believe grit would stack even if cha based as the intent is shown with the luck and panache example but your gm may differ in opinion.

[FLite]

Grey mage, reread the errata, it's in there.

I asked about this in the errata thread.

As it stands:

Myst stranger + Sleuth = CHA Mod x2
Myst stranger + Swashbuckler = CHA Mod x2
(both gunslinger and swashbuckler and gunslinger and slueth say they stack)
Swashbuckler + Sleuth = CHA Mod

I was told that it would need to be submitted to the FAQ process to determine if that was the intent or not.

Since shepherding something through the FAQ is a pain in the rear, and since all I would get out of the work is having to rebuild a character, I decided to pass.

Honestly, I really wish they would have gone with "If you have two grit/luck/panache pools with the same attribute, you get 1.5x the pool. If you have all 3, you get x2" But that is just me (and it is how I would run it in a home game.)

actually, by the time this gets FAQed, my charisma will probably be high enough that 1x CHA mod will be plenty. I currently regain grit/panache/luck any time I crit, kill, disrupt a spellcaster with a readied shot, roll a 20 on 2 skills, roll a six on a free inspiration die on 5 skills (need to get more trained knowledges darn it.) I have to be having a pretty bad night to drop below half my pool

[FLite]

Page 4, second item down, it is easy to miss the significance.

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• Page 102—In the Sleuth archetype’s Make It Count

deed, change all three instances of “inspired strike” in
the first sentence to “studied strike”. In the Spiritualist’s
Strong Life ability, at the very beginning, add “At
2nd level,”. In the sidebar, in the parenthetical third
sentence, add “do not” before “gain twice”.

which turns that sentence into...

"those who use panache and luch do not gain twice their Charisma bonus..."