| ibuprofen87 |
I am interested in a kitsune which will rely on disguise, but I'm fairly confused by mechanics. Depending on interpretation it could be the difference between +10 and +30 or more to disguise.
Kitsune have Change Shape:
(Su): A kitsune can assume the appearance of a specific single human form of the same sex. The kitsune always takes this specific form when she uses this ability. A kitsune in human form cannot use her bite attack, but gains a +10 racial bonus on Disguise checks made to appear human. Changing shape is a standard action. This ability otherwise functions as alter self, except that the kitsune does not adjust her ability scores and can remain in this form indefinitely.
Then there is the racial feat, Realistic likeness:
Benefit: You can precisely mimic the physical features of any individual you have encountered. When you use your racial change shape ability, you can attempt to take the form of an individual, granting you a +10 circumstance bonus on Disguise checks made to fool others with your impersonation.
I was having an argument about whether the +10 bonuses should stack for a +20 to impersonate a particular person. One perspective is they do not because the base +10 bonus is only for the kitsunes specific altar-ego human form, so that in either case you get +10 My position is that it seems pretty clearly to be written as stacking. Specifically, given these two clauses:
"gains a +10 racial bonus on Disguise checks made to appear human"
"When you use your racial change shape ability when you impersonate a specific person"
Both conditions are met. Nothing contradicts them stacking, and the bonus types are different. I looked online but I've been unable to find an unambiguous answer.
Additionally, there are spells which improve disguises. Extrapolating my reasoning so far, what prevents you from just stacking all (typeless, not contradictory) effects?
Change Shape: +10 racial
Realistic likeness: +10 circumstance bonus
Altar self: polymorph, +10 untyped
disguise self: will savable, +10 untyped
Vocal Alteration: +10 untyped bonus for listeners
for a potential of +50 to the opposed check, not including competence/trait bonuses, and so forth. I would not feel comfortable trying to stack all of these effects in a real game but where have I gone wrong if so?
(The only idea I have is that a magical effect, including kitsune racial, is "used during the creation of a disguise" so you only get to use one. But I still strongly believe kitsune should get +20 to impersonation.)