Greater Spirit Totem: Spirit's slam damages?

[Lady Gragra ♥]

Does taking Greater Spirit Totem remove the +CHA component of the spirit's slam, effectively dealing less damage if you have a high charisma? Or should I read it as 1d6+CHA?

Additional question: When do the spirits from the lesser spirit totem attack? Beginning of the turn? End of the turn? Whenever I want? (for example when passing by an enemy?)

Greater Spirit Totem: While raging, the spirits that surround the barbarian become dangerous to any enemy adjacent to the barbarian. Living enemies adjacent to the barbarian at the start of her turn take 1d8 points of negative energy damage. In addition, the spirit wisps can now attack foes that are up to 15 feet away from the barbarian and the slam attack deals 1d6 points of negative energy damage.

Lesser Spirit Totem:
While raging, the barbarian is surrounded by spirit wisps that harass her foes. These spirits make one slam attack each round against a living foe that is adjacent to the barbarian. This slam attack is made using the barbarian’s full base attack bonus, plus the barbarian’s Charisma modifier. The slam deals 1d4 points of negative energy damage, plus the barbarian’s Charisma modifier.

[Claxon]

Nope. Seems like you lose the +Cha damage. Barbarians (who the rage power was designed for) don't care. Bloodrager's might be a little sad, and Skalds are probably very sad.

Your observation appears to be correct, no +cha to damage with the Greater Version.

I assume like Greater Spirit Totem, the damage occurs on the barbarians turn each round.

Quote:

Greater Spirit Totem: While raging, the spirits that surround the barbarian become dangerous to any enemy adjacent to the barbarian. Living enemies adjacent to the barbarian at the start of her turn take 1d8 points of negative energy damage. In addition, the spirit wisps can now attack foes that are up to 15 feet away from the barbarian and the slam attack deals 1d6 points of negative energy damage.

[Kalindlara]

1) I would assume you still add your Cha modifier. Otherwise, it would be silly.

2) I'd say, since it's unlisted, whenever you want during your turn.

[Kalindlara]

My other thought? These are powers from the APG, well before they learned exactly how pedantic the forums are about rules' wordings.

It's likely that the power is worded somewhat loosely as a result.

[Lady Gragra ♥]

As a Skald I do admit I'm feeling kinda screwed by the RAW (ok, you gain reach, but you loose between 3 and 5 fixed damages usually for a level 10 skald, which is really bad...).

For question number 2, for the greater spirit effect it's listed as "at the start of her turn", but there is no such mention for the lesser one, which leads to confusion when a whole group starts using it (while under the skald's song effect).

[Kalindlara]

Note that Greater Spirit Totem is comprised of two separate sentences. The pulse happens at the start of your turn; however, that doesn't necessarily mean the wisp attack does.

(In the end, though, because of the reason in my previous post: expect table variation.)

[Lady Gragra]

Anyone from Paizo willing to comment on the spirits' slam damages, is the Charisma still added to the greater version?

It requires clarification for sure -> FAQ button

[Brain in a Jar]

You still add your Charisma to damage. Nothing about the Greater version negates the Lesser One.

The only thing the Greater version does to the Slam attack is increase its reach and base slam damage.

Because if you follow the flawed logic of it only does 1d6 damage with the Greater version, i also assume you ignore the uses base attack bonus+Charisma part, leaving you with no way to attack with them now.