Need input on a Wizard defensive kill box


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Essentially a 6 sided (or circular, but same idea) object with arrows slits so that the wizard can have improved cover while maintaining line of sight for any spells he wants of fire off.

Criteria/Notes:

1) Large size or smaller. Medium sized is preferred since the wizard is small sized.
2) Weight must be under 5000 LBS, but lighter is better.
3) I'd prefer if it were made of stone, but that's not necessarily required.
4) Non-magic item. I'm not looking for an aparatus of Kawalsh that flies. I'm trying to keep it as cheap as possible.
5) No doors are needed. The wizard can teleport in and out.
6) Bonus points if it's got a way to close off the arrow slits with relative ease.Internal shutters or something would be sufficient.

Ultimately I'd like my small teleport wizard have a box he can teleport into and protect himself while he fires spells outside of it. He intends to move around via Imbue with Flight spell. I may even make the thing invisible to really confuse my enemies. I'd like this to be a reasonably inexpensive mundane object so that if I need to abandon it I can without losing obscene amounts of money.

Edit: Oh, I need stats like L/W/H and weight for the various spell requirement calculations. Thanks in advance.


First, Stone Shape it so that it's free or next to free.

Second, you'll have to source your own data on stone density, but if I take a real life number of ~160 lbs/ft^3 (a bit on the light side for granite), even a hollow 5x5x5 shell is going to weigh about triple your maximum if you make it a foot thick. It'll have to be a pretty thin box.

Use Illusory Wall to hide your arrow slits. You know it's an illusion so you can see through. Everyone else thinks your flying box is some kind of crazy, cubic wizard. If you want to draw fire, put another Illusory Wall on the outside, and make it appear to be made out of straw, or cloth.


Jaunt wrote:

First, Stone Shape it so that it's free or next to free.

Second, you'll have to source your own data on stone density, but if I take a real life number of ~160 lbs/ft^3 (a bit on the light side for granite), even a hollow 5x5x5 shell is going to weigh about triple your maximum if you make it a foot thick. It'll have to be a pretty thin box.

Use Illusory Wall to hide your arrow slits. You know it's an illusion so you can see through. Everyone else thinks your flying box is some kind of crazy, cubic wizard. If you want to draw fire, put another Illusory Wall on the outside, and make it appear to be made out of straw, or cloth.

A foot is much thicker than I think I need. I was thinking like 5 or 6 inches at Most. Even that seems excessive, but i though it may be required for structural stability.


I'm definitely not an architect, so I'll leave that to more educated folks. That said, if you come down to 4 inches, that should get you close to your weight limit, but you're only going to have 60 hp on it.

Given the nuisance of doing any illusions you want, and stone shaping a new one, I figure you might want more than that. Two or three solid hits will open up your little turret box.


Jaunt wrote:

I'm definitely not an architect, so I'll leave that to more educated folks. That said, if you come down to 4 inches, that should get you close to your weight limit, but you're only going to have 60 hp on it.

Given the nuisance of doing any illusions you want, and stone shaping a new one, I figure you might want more than that. Two or three solid hits will open up your little turret box.

That's fine. That's 2-3 hits that neither I nor my team mates took.


Watch out for Anti Magic Fields. This sounds exactly like a trap I once devised for killing enemy wizards.

Teleport Trap to direct enemies into the box. AMF around it. Fill enemy with arrows or poke with polearms through the slits until dead.


Could you just cast this spell?


Gilarius wrote:

Watch out for Anti Magic Fields. This sounds exactly like a trap I once devised for killing enemy wizards.

Teleport Trap to direct enemies into the box. AMF around it. Fill enemy with arrows or poke with polearms through the slits until dead.

Good point. I'll keep an adamantine weapon on hand just in case.


Cycada wrote:
Could you just cast this spell?

Except for the short duration and it doesn't cover some of my other needs.


Okay, so with 3 inch thick walls, you're looking at 6000 pounds because my math is sloppy. Check with your GM for structural integrity. Alternatively, a smaller box would be fine for a small character. If you make the box 4x4x4 you're going to have 3840 pounds with 3 inch thickness. I'm coming up with 5120 when I crunch out 6 walls x 16 sqft per wall * 1/3rd foot thickness. If you actually do the math the correct (read: annoying) way, you might be able to get under 5k.

So, the safe one is:
4x4x4, .25 feet thick
45 hp, 8 hardness
Free as stone and a cast of Stone Shape
Illusion to taste.

Either shape the arrow slits with Stone Shape, or if your GM says that's too much detail, just use any adamantine weapon to cut them in. Imbue with Flight and you're all set.


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Craft the cube with Stone Shape, then cast Shrink Object on it. You can dismiss the size-reduction magic when needed.

Wear it as a hat.


I think I'm going to consider it as Hewn stone with an arrow slit in each side. Though as they're not actually supporting anything I'd like to reduce the thickness to 1 foot. I think that would reduce I may magically treat it depending on how many times I have to do so. The math gets wonky, but once or twice may be worth it. More than that and I won't bother.

I'll say it's exterior dimensions are 5X5X5 cube for the sake of easy math. That would give it an interior space of 4X4X4. Gotta do the math on weight, but I think this should work if the walls are 1 foot thick.

Stats:

Standard Stone, hewn wall: typical thickness 3 ft. Break DC50 Hareness 8 Hit points540 hp (Is this a typo because it seems like a lot?)

Suggestion for 5X5X5 box: Thickness 1 ft, Break DC 25, Hardness 8 (unchanged by volume) HP: 180 (divided by 3) Seem reasonable?

Magically Treated Walls These walls are stronger than average, with a greater hardness, more hit points, and a higher break DC. Magic can usually double the hardness and hit points of a wall and add up to 20 to the break DC. a magically treated wall also gains a saving throw against spells that could affect it, with the save bonus equaling 2 + 1/2 the caster level of the magic reinforcing the wall. Creating a magic wall requires the Craft Wondrous Item feat and the expenditure of 1,500 gp for each 10-foot-by-10-foot wall section.


I like your idea!

However may I suggest the Spell Emergency Force Sphere or maybe a Cube of Force?


He wants something mobile that he can shoot out of. Force spells don't do that.

6 squares of 5x5x1 hewn stone is going to be, like, 24,000 pounds. How are you doing your math?

5x5x5 is actually going to have interior dimensions of 3x3x3. Each axis has 2 boundaries, each 1 foot thick.

I wouldn't bother with magic treatment. That stuff's expensive for a box that isn't guaranteed to survive any given fight.


Jaunt wrote:

He wants something mobile that he can shoot out of. Force spells don't do that.

6 squares of 5x5x1 hewn stone is going to be, like, 24,000 pounds. How are you doing your math?

5x5x5 is actually going to have interior dimensions of 3x3x3. Each axis has 2 boundaries, each 1 foot thick.

I wouldn't bother with magic treatment. That stuff's expensive for a box that isn't guaranteed to survive any given fight.

Where are you getting the weight of stone from?


Laiho Vanallo wrote:

I like your idea!

However may I suggest the Spell Emergency Force Sphere or maybe a Cube of Force?

I have those also. :-)


A mortician's website, actually.

Here's a quarry operation's site, their numbers are similar:

http://www.stoneplus.com/calculators.php

edit: If it's not obvious, I couldn't find the weight of stone anywhere within Pathfinder. Hardness, hp, and break values, yeah. Weight, no.


Jaunt wrote:

A mortician's website, actually.

Here's a quarry operation's site, their numbers are similar:

http://www.stoneplus.com/calculators.php

edit: If it's not obvious, I couldn't find the weight of stone anywhere within Pathfinder. Hardness, hp, and break values, yeah. Weight, no.

Interesting. The whole flying part may not be viable, but at minimum I could put

It on the ground and/or create or via stone shape as needed.


would a tiny hut spell work? grants you concealment and can see out.....


Shrink item and invisibility would make this awesome. They can be made permanent, or you can just use spells as needed. Since shrink item halts a fire burning, I could see a ruling that it would halt an ongoing spell.

Making it an animated object would give it mobility and ability to repel defenders.


Devin O' the Dale wrote:
would a tiny hut spell work? grants you concealment and can see out.....

It's immobile and doesn't grant cover.


How about just a basic iron cage. Not quite the full cover of a box with slits in it, but a lot lighter and with a lot better visibility.

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