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Unless it is a one handed weapon that disallows 1.5 STR, such as a rapier or whip, in which case it would not allow 1.5 Dex.
Because of that, the only one-handed, finessable weapon that can gain 1.5 dex when wielded in two hands is the Aldori Dueling Sword.
The only weapons that can gain 1.5 dex at all are the Dueling Sword, Elven Curve Blade, Elven Branched Spear, and Spiked Chain.
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Unless it is a one handed weapon that disallows 1.5 STR, such as a rapier or whip, in which cast it would not allow 1.5 Dex.
Because of that, the only one-handed, finessable weapon that can gain 1.5 dex when wielded in two hands is the Aldori Dueling Sword.
The only weapons that can gain 1.5 dex at all are the Dueling Sword, Elven Curve Blade, Elven Branched Spear, and Spiked Chain.
dotted... my rogue will hit 11th level one day, and he'll need a bigass sword ;)
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Now, let's find a way to get the proficiency without blowing a feat in it...
hehehehhehehe proficiency intel weapon prop hehehheheheheh it's official Paizo too! hehehhehehehehhe
Since when do Whips disallow 2-handing them?
Unless it is a one handed weapon that disallows 1.5 STR, such as a rapier or whip, in which case it would not allow 1.5 Dex.
Because of that, the only one-handed, finessable weapon that can gain 1.5 dex when wielded in two hands is the Aldori Dueling Sword.
The only weapons that can gain 1.5 dex at all are the Dueling Sword, Elven Curve Blade, Elven Branched Spear, and Spiked Chain.
I believe that the Estoc should be there alongside the Aldori Dueling Sword.
Since when do Whips disallow 2-handing them?
I don't think he is saying you can't wield them using two-hands. I think he is saying that you can't get 1.5 Str bonus that way, and therefore you can't get 1.5 Dex with a whip. It's been that way at least since Ultimate Equipment.
WHIP
Price 1 gp
Type exotic
A whip deals no damage to any creature with an armor bonus of +1 or higher or a natural armor bonus of +3 or higher. The whip is treated as a melee weapon with a 15-foot reach, though you don't threaten the area into which you can make an attack. In addition, unlike most other weapons with reach, you can use it against foes anywhere within your reach (including adjacent foes).
Using a whip provokes an attack of opportunity, just as if you had used a ranged weapon.You can use the Weapon Finesse feat to apply your Dexterity modifier instead of your Strength modifier to attack rolls with a whip sized for you, even though it isn't a light weapon. You can't wield a whip in two hands in order to apply 1-1/2 times your Strength modifier to damage rolls.
My understanding is that you can still wield them two-handed to get the 1.5 bonus from Power Attack, though.
has somebody an idea how to get a two handed weapon with dex on hit(Finesse) and dex on damage without picking a 3 Level rogue dip then?
i didnt find anyway yet but i like the idea of a two-handed-dex-based-fighter
For a two-handed weapon, three levels in Unchained Rogue really is the only option.
Since when do Whips disallow 2-handing them?I don't think he is saying you can't wield them using two-hands. I think he is saying that you can't get 1.5 Str bonus that way, and therefore you can't get 1.5 Dex with a whip. It's been that way at least since Ultimate Equipment.
My understanding is that you can still wield them two-handed to get the 1.5 bonus from Power Attack, though.WHIP
Price 1 gp
Type exotic
A whip deals no damage to any creature with an armor bonus of +1 or higher or a natural armor bonus of +3 or higher. The whip is treated as a melee weapon with a 15-foot reach, though you don't threaten the area into which you can make an attack. In addition, unlike most other weapons with reach, you can use it against foes anywhere within your reach (including adjacent foes).
Using a whip provokes an attack of opportunity, just as if you had used a ranged weapon.You can use the Weapon Finesse feat to apply your Dexterity modifier instead of your Strength modifier to attack rolls with a whip sized for you, even though it isn't a light weapon. You can't wield a whip in two hands in order to apply 1-1/2 times your Strength modifier to damage rolls.
I seriously doubt it. If you cannot use it as a two-handed weapon to get 1.5x Strength on the damage roll, you shouldn't be able to get Power Attack's 50% extra damage for two-handing it.
I seriously doubt it. If you cannot use it as a two-handed weapon to get 1.5x Strength on the damage roll, you shouldn't be able to get Power Attack's 50% extra damage for two-handing it.Not necessarily. That's the way it works for a core monk's flurry - so the 1x STR & 3-to-1 PA has precedent.
Monks don't get 1.5x Strength on damage rolls with unarmed strikes (doesn't qualify as a natural attack that gets that extra damage, since you get multiple attacks via Flurry), and they only way they get it with Flurry of Blows at all is if they have Dragon Ferocity or are using a two-handed monk weapon. Since they don't get that bonus, they wouldn't get the extra 50% from Power Attack either.
Even if they did by RAW, I'd never allow it for the exact reason I just said.
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I seriously doubt it. If you cannot use it as a two-handed weapon to get 1.5x Strength on the damage roll, you shouldn't be able to get Power Attack's 50% extra damage for two-handing it.Not necessarily. That's the way it works for a core monk's flurry - so the 1x STR & 3-to-1 PA has precedent.Monks don't get 1.5x Strength on damage rolls with unarmed strikes (doesn't qualify as a natural attack that gets that extra damage, since you get multiple attacks via Flurry), and they only way they get it with Flurry of Blows at all is if they have Dragon Ferocity or are using a two-handed monk weapon. Since they don't get that bonus, they wouldn't get the extra 50% from Power Attack either.
Even if they did by RAW, I'd never allow it for the exact reason I just said.
By RAW - using a two-handed monk weapon - a core monk 1x STR & 3-to-1 PA. That's how the Pathfinder rule works - but you can houserule it however you want.
However - you can't then use said houserule as a valid argument on a rules forum.
I think it is worth noting that in the CRB, the whip does not have any restriction regarding the use of two hands. If you play CORE Pathfinder you should be able to get both the Str bonus and Power Attack bonus when wielding it two-handed. By the time that Ultimate Equipment came out they had added the same restriction that the rapier has.
You can't wield a whip in two hands in order to apply 1-1/2 times your Strength modifier to damage rolls.
This doesn't say that you can't wield a whip two-handed. It also doesn't say that you can't gain any benefits at all from wielding it two-handed. It only says that you can't get the 1.5 Str bonus from using two hands. They specifically limited the new rule to this one situation.
Now this will affect feats and abilities that are based on the Str bonus. For example, an Unchained Rogue can't get a 1.5 Dex bonus because the size of the Dex bonus is based on the size of the Str bonus. So what about Power Attack?
Power Attack
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Benefit: You can choose to take a –1 penalty on all melee attack rolls and combat maneuver checks to gain a +2 bonus on all melee damage rolls. This bonus to damage is increased by half (+50%) if you are making an attack with a two-handed weapon, a one handed weapon using two hands, or a primary natural weapon that adds 1-1/2 times your Strength modifier on damage rolls.
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So power attack grants you the +50% damage if you are making an attack with any of the following.
(1) a two-handed weapon
(2) a one handed weapon using two hands
(3) a primary natural weapon that adds 1-1/2 times your Strength modifier on damage rolls
A whip is a one handed weapon. If you wield it two-handed then you meet the condition for the +50% damage bonus. For condition (2) there is no requirement that you must be getting 1-1/2 times your strength bonus.
By RAW - using a two-handed monk weapon - a core monk 1x STR & 3-to-1 PA.I seriously doubt it. If you cannot use it as a two-handed weapon to get 1.5x Strength on the damage roll, you shouldn't be able to get Power Attack's 50% extra damage for two-handing it.Not necessarily. That's the way it works for a core monk's flurry - so the 1x STR & 3-to-1 PA has precedent.Monks don't get 1.5x Strength on damage rolls with unarmed strikes (doesn't qualify as a natural attack that gets that extra damage, since you get multiple attacks via Flurry), and they only way they get it with Flurry of Blows at all is if they have Dragon Ferocity or are using a two-handed monk weapon. Since they don't get that bonus, they wouldn't get the extra 50% from Power Attack either.
Even if they did by RAW, I'd never allow it for the exact reason I just said.
I already said that:
Monks don't get 1.5x Strength on damage rolls with unarmed strikes (doesn't qualify as a natural attack that gets that extra damage, since you get multiple attacks via Flurry), and they only way they get it with Flurry of Blows at all is if they have Dragon Ferocity or are using a two-handed monk weapon.
And we're getting away from what I originally said anyways. If a weapon cannot benefit from 1.5x Strength by being wielded in both hands, it should NOT be able to get Power Attack's two-handed weapon bonus.
That's why you can change the rules to suit your game. Tying 1.5x STR to PA is very sensible, and a totally reasonable way to run it. Double-Slice has some kind of interaction with that as well.
"RAW" can often be nonsensical, which is probably why no one actually plays by it 100%.
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By RAW - using a two-handed monk weapon - a core monk 1x STR & 3-to-1 PA.I seriously doubt it. If you cannot use it as a two-handed weapon to get 1.5x Strength on the damage roll, you shouldn't be able to get Power Attack's 50% extra damage for two-handing it.Not necessarily. That's the way it works for a core monk's flurry - so the 1x STR & 3-to-1 PA has precedent.Monks don't get 1.5x Strength on damage rolls with unarmed strikes (doesn't qualify as a natural attack that gets that extra damage, since you get multiple attacks via Flurry), and they only way they get it with Flurry of Blows at all is if they have Dragon Ferocity or are using a two-handed monk weapon. Since they don't get that bonus, they wouldn't get the extra 50% from Power Attack either.
Even if they did by RAW, I'd never allow it for the exact reason I just said.
I already said that:
Monks don't get 1.5x Strength on damage rolls with unarmed strikes (doesn't qualify as a natural attack that gets that extra damage, since you get multiple attacks via Flurry), and they only way they get it with Flurry of Blows at all is if they have Dragon Ferocity or are using a two-handed monk weapon.And we're getting away from what I originally said anyways. If a weapon cannot benefit from 1.5x Strength by being wielded in both hands, it should NOT be able to get Power Attack's two-handed weapon bonus.
And your argument is flawed.
From the PRD for the CRB for Monk's Flurry of Blows:
A monk applies his full Strength bonus to his damage rolls for all successful attacks made with flurry of blows, whether the attacks are made with an off-hand or with a weapon wielded in both hands.
Full Strength Bonus =/= 1.5x Str.