| David F |
"A paladin can, as a move action, concentrate on a single item or individual within 60 feet and determine if it is evil, learning the strength of its aura as if having studied it for 3 rounds."
Does this also mean he can determine the location, as he could if having studied for 3 rounds with the spell? Or is it aura strength only?
| Melkiador |
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I agree with you guys personally, and ruled it that way in my game, but I'm having trouble with the "you have to see it to concentrate on it" argument. I feel like if he's detecting an aura, he can just concentrate on the presence of that aura, whether he can see it or not.
It's a bootstrap problem. You can't see the individual aura until you take 3 rounds. So you can't target an invisible creature by aura until that much time has passed.
Do note that a paladin can use his detect evil as/with the normal spell, without needing the move action version.
Also note that Detect Evil requires concentration, so the paladin would never be able to take another standard action while using it to "see".
| Tacticslion |
I agree with you guys personally, and ruled it that way in my game, but I'm having trouble with the "you have to see it to concentrate on it" argument. I feel like if he's detecting an aura, he can just concentrate on the presence of that aura, whether he can see it or not.
Do as you like.
One way of reconciling is by saying that he's not really doing that, though. You could say, he sees something, and he asks about it - he's not focusing on the aura, he's focusing on the thing, and he does that by visually concentrating. Then the aura information is imparted, even if he doesn't see it.
Effectively, he has two very different mechanics - the slow one that allows him to get his own information, and the rapid, "I don't got time for this, gimme the cliff notes" version, relying on something else - his power - to rapidly tell him, now that he's aware of stuff by visual.
| David F |
If a spell has a specific target (as opposed to an area), you need line of sight in order to use the spell. If you cannot see your target, you do not have line of sight.
"At will, a paladin can use detect evil, as the spell. A paladin can, as a move action, concentrate on a single item or individual within 60 feet and determine if it is evil, learning the strength of its aura as if having studied it for 3 rounds. "
Detect evil is a cone shaped spell, with a range of 60 ft.
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/d/detect-evil
I'd create a link but I have no idea how :/
EDIT: All this aside, it seems bonkers to me that a paladin trying to localize an evil creature hasn't already been officially hashed out. Is that not the case?
| David F |
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The spell Detect Evil is a cone, but the Paladin's move action "add on" is single target. And that target has to be a person or a thing. And you have to be able to perceive it, to target it.
I see, thanks. I think put together this thread is enough to help me argue my point. Certainly given the fact there isn't a single person arguing that it SHOULD give location except my group's PC ;)
| Tacticslion |
For what it's worth, I have two things to add:
1) we allow a Paladin to locate invisibility (after a debacle against a lowly quasit), though officially we agree with your interpretation
2) making links are as follows:
[ url = google.com ] Here is Google [ / url ]
... becomes ...
Here is Google
... when you take out the spaces!
Peace and good gaming!