Anyone else think Omnikinesis sucks?


Pathfinder First Edition General Discussion

Scarab Sages

You spend 19 levels becoming this distinctive being with your own quirky litany of powers that sets you apart even from other Kineticists...and then at 20th level it pretty much just vomits uniformity over everyone. Why not a distinctive "capstone" for every different element, or even a small menu of them? Part of me wants to play a Kineticist, but another part of me is put off by this terminally unimaginative finale. I guess all I can really say at this point is that I REALLY hope Kineticists get a healthy sum of alternative 20th-level features in future expansions.

Silver Crusade

Yeah, it's not great, but really a level 20 capstone shouldn't stop you from playing a class. Everything else is aces, and at worst blood kineticist and elemental annihilator both have an alternative 20th level capstone.

Scarab Sages

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The former is respectable, but I'm not interested in playing it. The latter is practically a self-parody.

Frankly, what I really want to play is this - now if only it could be made Society-legal....


I actually think it's a great ability. I don't think it's a forcing of uniformity, but rather adding some versatility; if you find yourself in a situation where your available Blasts are next to worthless (like a Pyrokineticist going up against fire elementals or a Balor), or a certain Wild Talent would be more helpful than what you've currently got (such as needing Earthglide but not having it), then you can use it for the cost of some Burn (which can limit your ability to use other Talents).


IIRC, by level 6, an Aetherkineticist has made exactly ONE choice, between Invisibility or Standard Action flight. Go individuality!

Silver Crusade

Casual Viking wrote:
IIRC, by level 6, an Aetherkineticist has made exactly ONE choice, between Invisibility or Standard Action flight. Go individuality!

This has actually been a rather large issue for me in designing characters. We can put this on only having one book, but it's still VERY limiting since a lot of elements have a direct track for power.

Aether: Invis, Self TK, Foe Throw, Greater Self TK
Air: Air Cushion/Leap, Air's Reach, Wings of Air
Earth: Earth Walk, Entangling Infusion, Tremorsense, Earthglide
Fire: Burning Infusion, Fire's Fury, Searing Flames, Flame Jet/Greater
Water: ...water just kind of bores me...I got nothing.

Right now kineticist are on a narrow track, and even with Omnikinesis, it doesn't really change that much.


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Omnikinesis is when the avatar has mastered all 4 elements. Every other bender is lower level.


I would have loved a capstone power for each element.


Not sure if people realize Kintecist is based off Avatar, the last airbender...

And the level 20 ability is literally avatar mode.


Pixie, the Leng Queen wrote:

Not sure if people realize Kintecist is based off Avatar, the last airbender...

And the level 20 ability is literally avatar mode.

And if someone wants to play a pyrokineticist based off of, say, Natsu from Fairy Tale instead of Aang?


Apparently Natsu is also now an Aerokineticist (Lightning) from what I've seen, so that point is moot.

...Really glad I stopped reading that. Why can't he just have made more Rave Master instead?


Rynjin wrote:

Apparently Natsu is also now an Aerokineticist (Lightning) from what I've seen, so that point is moot.

...Really glad I stopped reading that. Why can't he just have made more Rave Master instead?

Sort of, he get a lacrima from Laxus that has lightning dragon slayer magic.

Scarab Sages

Pixie, the Leng Queen wrote:

Not sure if people realize Kintecist is based off Avatar, the last airbender...

And the level 20 ability is literally avatar mode.

I had a hunch, but I'm not an anime fan.


Avatar isn't an anime though.


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Rynjin wrote:
Avatar isn't an anime though.

You mean you haven't watched the Japanese dub with english subtitles?


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I'm not THAT much of a weeb, not by a long shot.

Shadow Lodge

Rynjin wrote:
Apparently Natsu is also now an Aerokineticist (Lightning) from what I've seen, so that point is moot.

And the fact that lightning is associated with air (typical for PF, not for Avatar) suggests that while there's some inspiration there, Paizo is still going for its own thing.


Weirdo wrote:
Rynjin wrote:
Apparently Natsu is also now an Aerokineticist (Lightning) from what I've seen, so that point is moot.
And the fact that lightning is associated with air (typical for PF, not for Avatar) suggests that while there's some inspiration there, Paizo is still going for its own thing.

Well I think that is more due to air needing an energy type and Avatar Air Benders kinda lack any obvious energy.

I believe it was Mark who.said he pulled A LOT of inspiration from the show.

Designer

Pixie, the Leng Queen wrote:
Weirdo wrote:
Rynjin wrote:
Apparently Natsu is also now an Aerokineticist (Lightning) from what I've seen, so that point is moot.
And the fact that lightning is associated with air (typical for PF, not for Avatar) suggests that while there's some inspiration there, Paizo is still going for its own thing.

Well I think that is more due to air needing an energy type and Avatar Air Benders kinda lack any obvious energy.

I believe it was Mark who.said he pulled A LOT of inspiration from the show.

I pulled inspiration from all sorts of elementalists, including ATLA, which is an awesome show, among others, but electricity was always going to go with air; it's based on the Pathfinder elements, not the way ATLA separated elements (though of course there are many similarities with how they both work).

The best inspiration to get from the show and from other elementalists in fiction was really what sorts of ways people would want to use their powers, both in fights and out. And I totally watched and read lots of stuff to find those!


Personally I have been a fan of your work mark.

Heck even on the vigilante, your spec (stalker) was easily the best and coolest of the four.

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Yes, I also appreciate that the kineticist finally gives us a really good way to make benders - as well as other characters with elemental powers - while still feeling like its own coherent thing.

And with that in mind, capstones that don't resemble "avatar mode" would be appreciated in future development for characters that aim to be more specialized. :)


N. Jolly wrote:
Yeah, it's not great, but really a level 20 capstone shouldn't stop you from playing a class. Everything else is aces, and at worst blood kineticist and elemental annihilator both have an alternative 20th level capstone.

"Aces" is a strong word, and if you asked me an incorrect word. In concept it's definitely my favorite class, but Burn is really *really* awful as-is. I'm not sure why a class as relatively underpowered as the kineticist needed to be balanced out by one of the worst class mechanics I've seen yet.

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