Occult Ritual - Turn one Dragon into another!


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Let's say, for the sake of argument that an enterprising GM wants to us Occult Rituals but only to make it so that a specific version of said ritual transforms a lesser dragon (like say a Faerie dragon) into say a true dragon (or perhaps an Outer Dragon...)

Is that feasible in your guys mind?


You probably want the result to be permanent, so I'd base it on polymorph any object (wich, for your purpouse, would have a permanent duration). You could probably adjust the DCs down, since it has a very definite use.


Well I wasn't thinking of making it TOO hard. But yeah I think like a 6th/7th level ritual.

I want it permanent sure, but I wasn't sure this was doable under the rules.

Cool. Now I just have to start making up checks.

Knowledge (arcana) should definitely be one.


Why not a ritual that only works when a carp swims up a waterfall or something?


My Self wrote:
Why not a ritual that only works when a carp swims up a waterfall or something?

Well I wasn't going THAT extreme. I figure I'll do a celestial alignment or even just night of the full moon. Carp and waterfalls aren't something I care enough about. :p


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So, something like:

True dragon's awakening

Transmutation (Polymorph), lvl 8
Casting time: 8 hours
Components: V,S,M (powdered dragon scales worth 25.000gp),F (A pile of gold worth 25.000gp, that will become the dragon's hoard), SC (up to one per age category of the dragon to be created)
Skill checks: Knowledge (planes) DC 19, Spellcraft DC 19, two successes ; Knowledge (arcana) DC 19, three successes; Appraise DC 19; Fly DC 19.
Range: Touch (Willing creature participating in the ritual, see text)
Duration: Permanent
Saving throw: Fortitude negates (Harmless); SR: no
Backlash: All participants suffer 1d6 acid damage, 1d6 cold damage, 1d6 fire damage and 1d6 electric damage.
Failure: All participants in the ritual gain vulnerability to the related element and can't benefit from spells with the related descriptor for a year and a day (if they possesed resistance or inmunity to the related type, it is supressed for the duration).

This ritual awakens the dragon blood present in some creatures.
The target must be a creature with blood ties to true dragons (such as a faery dragon, a creature with the half-dragon template, or a sorcerer with the draconic bloodline), or else the ritual fails to have any effect.
This ritual can only be performed when the material plane is in conjunciton with the elemental plane related to the type of dragon to be awakened (such as the water plane for a white dragon, or the fire one for a brass).
Upon completion, the target creature turns into a true dragon (chromatic or metalic, depending upon it's alignment and heritage) of the asociated element, of the age category of a dragon who had grown for the same number of years the creature was alive when the ritual was performed (juvenile or young adults, for most).

(Based on Polymorph any object, with a DC discount for being specific. Very restricted casting time for flavour and to get the DC down. You can dispense with the Material and Focus component for an increase in ritual DCs of +6. This is the simplest ritual to create according to the ritual creation rules. I'd probably up the DC, as this seems almost "too easy" and antyclimatic)

EDIT: based on the rules for occult rituals found in Occult adventures.


Could always just get an 18th level witch to use forced reincarnation on it until it sticks


Darigaaz the Igniter wrote:
Could always just get an 18th level witch to use forced reincarnation on it until it sticks

No I like Efreeti's idea much better.

Thank you Efreeti! This is an excellent baseline.


I agree that the checks seem easier, but I do want this to be doable for a group of PCs that reach, say 4th/5th level.

Also I was thinking instead making the faerie dragon be like a full grown dragon, he starts out at wyrmling status. Low enough CR to make it worth while but the PCs need to find other way to 'grow' the dragon.

Grand Lodge

Thomas Seitz wrote:

Let's say, for the sake of argument that an enterprising GM wants to us Occult Rituals but only to make it so that a specific version of said ritual transforms a lesser dragon (like say a Faerie dragon) into say a true dragon (or perhaps an Outer Dragon...)

Is that feasible in your guys mind?

Only if it fits as part of a story I want to create. Thematically as far as I'm concerned the rule books may give them the dragon subtype, but you're either a true dragon, or something as far apart from them as kobolds are.


I'd say that for duration Instantaneous is better than Permanent as Dispel Magic will ruin your day otherwise.


LazarX wrote:
Only if it fits as part of a story I want to create. Thematically as far as I'm concerned the rule books may give them the dragon subtype, but you're either a true dragon, or something as far apart from them as kobolds are.

Well I don't know about YOUR story, but it's story/side quest I want to create for Kingmaker.

Entry,

This isn't a dispel-able effect. This cannot be altered by Dispel magic. Wish and Miracle, sure. but nothing else.


A permanent effect is suppressed by the likes of antimagic field


First of all, thanks Entryhazard for the catch: it would work much better as an instantaneous effect.

Thomas Seitz, I'm glad you liked the idea. As to the resulting dragon, I found no information on the bestiaries about Fairy dragons' life expectancy or maturing cycles, but as tiny creatures, I'd expect them to mature faster than bigger ones. If the dragon in question is beyond 6-15 years old (sounds quite reasonable), it'd turn into a Very Young dragon. Older ones would result in a Young dragon, and younger ones would turn into Wirmlings. Any of those would probably have reasonable CRs.

Personaly, I wouldn't mess with "growing" the dragon, as magical aging would be a powerful tool to hand to your players. Let the dragon age naturaly, and if the party wants, they can use transmutation spells to enlarge it temporarely when they are high level enough ("form of the dragon" still gives bonuses if you were already a dragon ;D ).


Entry,

Ah! good point.

Efreeti, well I figured using this as a base line, it will turn the dragon in a dragon of the same size. Since most Wyrmlings are small, the faerie dragon is small, hence why I thought it would be more doable.

The growing part wouldn't be something I'd worry or concern myself with. That's a PC issue if you ask me. Even if it's an NPC. But yes, I plan on letting the dragon age naturally in game time. Over a period of MANY years.

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