I'm new to Kineticists, as is most everyone else.
Question 1: What's the "best" overall build for a Telekineticist? I'd like them to basically be a telekinetic rogue that's got a decent punch in battle.
Question 2: I'm considering a Undine Hydrokineticist for Skulls and Shackles. I'm not entirely sure what direction to go with her. Any thoughts on making the best Hydrokineticist? Essentially being as good at whatever a hydrokineticist is best at as possible.
Thoughts?
There is a hydrokineticist in my Skull and Shackles game. He has been extremely useful throughout the game, and he just got Water Manipulator, so I expect him to be even more useful going forward.
For the telekineticist you describe, you need this: Trap Finder. If your GM doesn't allow it, at least take Vagabond Child so that you can Disable Device as a class skill.
As stated, the other stuff is pretty straightforward. You need Point Blank Shot, and Precise Shot as your 2 starting feats... other than that you'll do Extended Range first, with Push as your probable 2nd infusion and TK Finesse followed by TK Haul... there's not a lot of choices yet, at least until the 2nd book comes out. ;)
Just remember that offensively, Empower is all you really want to spend Burn on, once your Extended Range is free... so feel free to load up on your defense, minimum of 3 burn every day for defense (You -even out- on Tmp HP vs Burn Damage, but heal those Tmp HP super super fast.)
Just remember that offensively, Empower is all you really want to spend Burn on, once your Extended Range is free... so feel free to load up on your defense, minimum of 3 burn every day for defense (You -even out- on Tmp HP vs Burn Damage, but heal those Tmp HP super super fast.)
How does Extend range become free?
Alright then, What's the best build for the Hydrokineticist?
Can you use you kinetic blast to hit a foe with, for example, a vial/flask of acid or poison? Since the object takes the damage as well, it should break the glass and the contents should spill onto the foe, correct?
When you get infusion specialization, all of your Kinetic blasts reduce their burn cost by 1, to a minimum of 0. Since extend range is burn 1, it then costs 0, assuming you use no other Infusions along with it. Which you won't be, since Aether infusions are largely crap, or don't stack with extend.
Well, you should always max your "free" burn, so Free Extended at 5th level, Free Extended+Pushing or Extreme Range at 8th, Free Extended+Bowling, Extreme+Pushing, or FoeThrow at 11th, etc, etc...
Even though the Substance Infusions might be "crap" compared to other elements, they are still "Free" Combat Maneuvers, and most help keep your enemies away from you so you're not forced to melee.
Can you use you kinetic blast to hit a foe with, for example, a vial/flask of acid or poison? Since the object takes the damage as well, it should break the glass and the contents should spill onto the foe, correct?
Nope. Just like your weapon is covered on force to keep it from doing material damage, it also protects your flasks from breaking.
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Can you use you kinetic blast to hit a foe with, for example, a vial/flask of acid or poison? Since the object takes the damage as well, it should break the glass and the contents should spill onto the foe, correct?Nope. Just like your weapon is covered on force to keep it from doing material damage, it also protects your flasks from breaking.
While the aether envelope usually prevents the effects of the item (if not the breakage), sometimes it is to your advantage to use the loose strands option and let the enemy feel the wrath of the item you threw instead of your normal blast damage (necklace of fireballs is a fun one for this).
While the aether envelope usually prevents the effects of the item (if not the breakage), sometimes it is to your advantage to use the loose strands option and let the enemy feel the wrath of the item you threw instead of your normal blast damage (necklace of fireballs is a fun one for this).Can you use you kinetic blast to hit a foe with, for example, a vial/flask of acid or poison? Since the object takes the damage as well, it should break the glass and the contents should spill onto the foe, correct?Nope. Just like your weapon is covered on force to keep it from doing material damage, it also protects your flasks from breaking.
So then what is the point of having the object take the damage as well?Can the object you use never break then (without loosening the strands)?
Oooo, the necklace of fireballs bit sounds like fun.
While the aether envelope usually prevents the effects of the item (if not the breakage), sometimes it is to your advantage to use the loose strands option and let the enemy feel the wrath of the item you threw instead of your normal blast damage (necklace of fireballs is a fun one for this).Can you use you kinetic blast to hit a foe with, for example, a vial/flask of acid or poison? Since the object takes the damage as well, it should break the glass and the contents should spill onto the foe, correct?Nope. Just like your weapon is covered on force to keep it from doing material damage, it also protects your flasks from breaking.So then what is the point of having the object take the damage as well?Can the object you use never break then (without loosening the strands)?
Oooo, the necklace of fireballs bit sounds like fun.
No, the acid flask would break, for example, but the envelope would prevent the acid from splashing out when it did (added bold to my quote above). This is completely intentional and expected. It actually leads to some really useful possibilities with regards to dealing with an active explosive or something like that.
No, the acid flask would break, for example, but the envelope would prevent the acid from splashing out when it did (added bold to my quote above). This is completely intentional and expected. It actually leads to some really useful possibilities with regards to dealing with an active explosive or something like that.While the aether envelope usually prevents the effects of the item (if not the breakage), sometimes it is to your advantage to use the loose strands option and let the enemy feel the wrath of the item you threw instead of your normal blast damage (necklace of fireballs is a fun one for this).Can you use you kinetic blast to hit a foe with, for example, a vial/flask of acid or poison? Since the object takes the damage as well, it should break the glass and the contents should spill onto the foe, correct?Nope. Just like your weapon is covered on force to keep it from doing material damage, it also protects your flasks from breaking.So then what is the point of having the object take the damage as well?Can the object you use never break then (without loosening the strands)?
Oooo, the necklace of fireballs bit sounds like fun.
So it breaks but the acid is contained by the aether strings. Then what? Don't the strings dissipate once the attack is done?
So it breaks but the acid is contained by the aether strings. Then what? Don't the strings dissipate once the attack is done?No, the acid flask would break, for example, but the envelope would prevent the acid from splashing out when it did (added bold to my quote above). This is completely intentional and expected. It actually leads to some really useful possibilities with regards to dealing with an active explosive or something like that.While the aether envelope usually prevents the effects of the item (if not the breakage), sometimes it is to your advantage to use the loose strands option and let the enemy feel the wrath of the item you threw instead of your normal blast damage (necklace of fireballs is a fun one for this).Can you use you kinetic blast to hit a foe with, for example, a vial/flask of acid or poison? Since the object takes the damage as well, it should break the glass and the contents should spill onto the foe, correct?Nope. Just like your weapon is covered on force to keep it from doing material damage, it also protects your flasks from breaking.So then what is the point of having the object take the damage as well?Can the object you use never break then (without loosening the strands)?
Oooo, the necklace of fireballs bit sounds like fun.
Like with a missed arrow (which has a flat chance of being recoverable but is sort of up to the GM to decide where you find it) or the shards of glass with a broken acid flask normally, visually you can adjudicate it in whatever way is coolest. For instance, perhaps the strands unwove after the shards of glass and acid remnants hit the ground, so the ground near the target is sizzling. As another possibility, since acid is weirdly an energy type and counts as energy in Pathfinder (unlike real world acid which is not energy), perhaps the aether strands absorbed the acid's energy, leaving you with a weak acid instead, which stings annoyingly but does no damage. Whatever works coolest in your narration of what happened in-game :)
Free extended+pushing is still a stupid thing to use when you could be using anything else that doesn't suck.
Just because you can do it for free doesn't make it a useful ability.
Ah, I see you're new to the Telekineticist and haven't actually played one t that level yet. So far the pushing, for me, has been invaluable. I can force people into threatened zones of my allies, force them out of threat range for my allies, push them into deadly terrain areas, push them in a manner that gives an ally soft or total cover, and many other things
Just because push doesn't do any damage, doesn't mean that you can'g force extra damage through other actions by pushing (or bowling) through methods such as attacks of opportunity.
PS It should be noted that actively insulting Mark might explain why he actively avoids responding to your posts. :P.
Empower isn't worth it for a TK. You should be using shenanigans with your abilities, not planning on doing raw damage with them. Foe throw is for chucking people into the ceiling and over the edges of cliffs. Or out windows. It's not for actually pinging people into each other, because that's a poor use of an ability that can quickly become save or die. It's literally the least efficient possible use of the power you can come up with.
Worth noting, you can use it to pull flyers out of the sky too. Save or hit the ground and fall prone.
Also overlooked is the fact that TK blast can just fling objects up to it's weight limit. They won't count as magic, but let's examine this. Spending a burn on telekinetic haul bumps you up to 1000 pounds/level. No burn: 100 lbs per level. Siege weapon ammo is south of 100 lbs a unit.
In other words...creativity is key. Fight Weird.