Aid Another vs. a poison?


Rules Questions

Scarab Sages

In my pbp game, a PC has been subjected to Deathblade poison.

The saving throw was made last turn. This turn, the save was missed by two. My player is asking if another player can use Aid Another to help him succeed in his saving throw.

"You can also use this standard action to help a friend in other ways, such as when he is affected by a spell, or to assist another character's skill check."

Is the Aid Another action legal and relevant in this instance?


Well, performing the appropriate medical techniques (sucking poison out of wound) would be an Aid Another action if not for the Heal skill.


Yes, you can use Aid Another if the GM determines you have a method of affecting the outcome.

In the case of poison...any number of things could be tried to help.


I'm not sure I'd go for aid another here. Seems more like a heal check replacing the save to me. That said, once you've rolled and you know you're 2 points short, it's too late to get the help. They need to be part of the check, not brought in retroactively.


I don't see a problem with it.
They could be trying to suck out the poison (which doesn't really work well in actual life but it does in media like this)
or tying a tourniquet to try and slow the spread of poison etc
Plenty of things


Bill Dunn, it wouldn't be done retroactively, it would be for subsequent saves.


Aid another is never specified as being useable on someone's saving throw. It doesn't make logical sense —at least to me— either. Between those two points, I wouldn't allow it.

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/skills/heal
Heal specifically calls out about helping poisoned creatures, and it's the only thing that would make sense to do so. If you want to help someone that is poisoned, use the heal skill.

I don't really like that the Heal skill provides +4 or +0 though. I think a +2 with an addition +2 for succeeding beyond DC+5 would be good, and maybe even a +1 for failing within 2–5).

Speaking of Heal though, what consists of proof of failure? Would the victim be able to tell the next round if he's still poisoned or not? The reason I ask is because he will still likely be suffering poison effects despite being cured of poison, the only difference is that it wouldn't be getting any worse. Could a character tell the difference between being at -4 Dex and -5?

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