Do mindblade weapons manifest as already equipped?


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This is relevant because of the Scizore.

Basically, it might be an option to manifest a scizore for the higher damage die or the extra AC, but if you have to put the effort into equipping it, it's not a very good choice at all.


I would think it would just form around your arm. Similarly I assume that a sword would form so the grip was in your hand rather than forming in a scabbard or on the ground. You create it and you can start using it with no other actions needed. Otherwise the rules get very messy and confusing.


Hmm. What about something like a swordcane? I have a character concept that involves a guy pretending to need a swordcane for support, and suddenly he realizes he needs something else and poof, it's a greataxe now. Or maybe he gets surprised in the middle of a meeting with someone that you don't want having a weapon ready near, but surprise, he had a weapon ready the whole time!

The whole roleplaying flavor of using a swordcane without the commitment of using a swordcane appeals to me, so I really would like it to manifest in "cane" mode if possible.

Grand Lodge

The Klar is pretty cool.

A Spiked Heavy Shield is an option too.


Johnny_Devo wrote:

Hmm. What about something like a swordcane? I have a character concept that involves a guy pretending to need a swordcane for support, and suddenly he realizes he needs something else and poof, it's a greataxe now. Or maybe he gets surprised in the middle of a meeting with someone that you don't want having a weapon ready near, but surprise, he had a weapon ready the whole time!

The whole roleplaying flavor of using a swordcane without the commitment of using a swordcane appeals to me, so I really would like it to manifest in "cane" mode if possible.

Manifest a Hanbo (walking stick) then swap to a real sword


tlotig wrote:
Johnny_Devo wrote:

Hmm. What about something like a swordcane? I have a character concept that involves a guy pretending to need a swordcane for support, and suddenly he realizes he needs something else and poof, it's a greataxe now. Or maybe he gets surprised in the middle of a meeting with someone that you don't want having a weapon ready near, but surprise, he had a weapon ready the whole time!

The whole roleplaying flavor of using a swordcane without the commitment of using a swordcane appeals to me, so I really would like it to manifest in "cane" mode if possible.

Manifest a Hanbo (walking stick) then swap to a real sword

Problem there is that most of the time it costs you a standard action to manifest a weapon. The whole point is to use the swordcane to mitigate that standard action cost if you ever find yourself in a situation where you need that weapon /now/.


Johnny_Devo wrote:
tlotig wrote:
Johnny_Devo wrote:

Hmm. What about something like a swordcane? I have a character concept that involves a guy pretending to need a swordcane for support, and suddenly he realizes he needs something else and poof, it's a greataxe now. Or maybe he gets surprised in the middle of a meeting with someone that you don't want having a weapon ready near, but surprise, he had a weapon ready the whole time!

The whole roleplaying flavor of using a swordcane without the commitment of using a swordcane appeals to me, so I really would like it to manifest in "cane" mode if possible.

Manifest a Hanbo (walking stick) then swap to a real sword
Problem there is that most of the time it costs you a standard action to manifest a weapon. The whole point is to use the swordcane to mitigate that standard action cost if you ever find yourself in a situation where you need that weapon /now/.

Eh?

At 1st level it takes a Move.

At 5th level it takes a Free.

Of course you'd have to spend two Blade Skills on making a Hanbo and then a different kind of weapon, and then a 3rd on Alter Blade, but it's very doable.

Of course, a mind blade using Emulate Melee Weapon does emulate the weapon in every way, so having it in proper swordcane form is doable too I'd imagine.

Grand Lodge

Mindblade Chainsaw.

Mindblade Battle ladder.

Mindblade Sharpened Combat Scabbard.

Mindblade Monowhip.


Rynjin wrote:

Eh?

At 1st level it takes a Move.

At 5th level it takes a Free.

Of course you'd have to spend two Blade Skills on making a Hanbo and then a different kind of weapon, and then a 3rd on Alter Blade, but it's very doable.

Of course, a mind blade using Emulate Melee Weapon does emulate the weapon in every way, so having it in proper swordcane form is doable too I'd imagine.

Psychic pool wrote:

At 1st level,

a mindblade can expend 1 point from her psychic pool
as a standard action to manifest a light melee weapon
of her choice, formed from psychic energy. By spending
2  points, the mindblade can manifest a one-handed
melee weapon, and by spending 3 points, she can
manifest a two-handed melee weapon (but not a double
weapon)
rapid manifest wrote:

Rapid Manifest (Su): At 8th level, a mindblade can

manifest a psychic weapon as a swift action. This ability
replaces improved spell combat.

I'm not sure where you're getting move, 5th level, or free from.

... now that I think about it, I'm also very confused about what what "blade skills" are and what "alter blade" is. Are we reading from the same book?


So I take it we're NOT talking about the Soulknife then?

...That's gonna get confusing.


Well, given that soulknife is a third party class and that "mindblade" is not "soulknife", we just have to avoid using the wrong word :P

I do get where you're coming from, though, given that the ability of the soulknife is called "form mind blade".

Grand Lodge

Rynjin wrote:

So I take it we're NOT talking about the Soulknife then?

...That's gonna get confusing.

Not for those who don't use 3rd Party, or just don't use it very often.


Which isn't me, so I stand by "that's gonna get confusing". Especially since a Mindblade's weapons are "manifested".


Well if it's in the rules forum assume no 3rd party stuff, and if it's in the 3rd party forum then you can be confused :)


Can we perhaps just assume that as long as it is an appropriate weapon and in the hands of the wielder, the mindblade appears in whatever way the magus wants it to, so long as it's following the rules of the weapon normally?

In fact I think it's pretty cool if the swordcane manifests normally, then as soon as the magus removes the cane part, it dissipates as the "cane" part leaves the magus's hands.

Grand Lodge

Mindblade Dwarven Boulder Helmet?

Mindblade Boot Blade?

Mindblade Barbazu Beard?

Mindblade Clawblade?

Mindblade Tailblade?


blackbloodtroll wrote:

Mindblade Dwarven Boulder Helmet?

Mindblade Boot Blade?

Mindblade Barbazu Beard?

Mindblade Clawblade?

Mindblade Tailblade?

I like the way you think, but unfortunately, it relies on this meaning a metaphorical hand :(

Psychic Pool (Su): wrote:
This psychic weapon can last indefinitely, but it vanishes if it leaves the mindblade’s hand.


Archaeik wrote:
blackbloodtroll wrote:

Mindblade Dwarven Boulder Helmet?

Mindblade Boot Blade?

Mindblade Barbazu Beard?

Mindblade Clawblade?

Mindblade Tailblade?

I like the way you think, but unfortunately, it relies on this meaning a metaphorical hand :(

Psychic Pool (Su): wrote:
This psychic weapon can last indefinitely, but it vanishes if it leaves the mindblade’s hand.

For that, I would personally rule it under the same guidelines as many other "hand" abilities and simply take it to mean "hands of effort". If the mindblade isn't "wielding" it, it poofs.

Grand Lodge

Clawblades are on your hand.


I fairly skeptical of that interpretation. I quite expect them to have meant literal hands to prevent a few these, namely the beard...

However, they didn't actually place any limits on the handedness of Dual Weapons, so maybe they don't care if you manifest two 2H weapons, provided you could wield them.

Dual Weapons (Su): wrote:
At 7th level, a mindblade can maintain two psychic weapons at a time or a psychic double weapon


It also doesn't mention that the weapons must be sized appropriately for you. So you could theoretically manifest a huge light weapon and wield it two-handed, or a small two-hander and wield it one-handed.

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