Do kineticists have caster levels?

[Johnny_Devo]

Question is now relevant because if they are not, then there's an item that is impossible to create.

The requirements for the "kineticist's diadem" are "Craft Wondrous Item, creator must be a 10th-level kineticist with access to the appropriate element"

So, obviously, the kineticist would have to have a caster level in order to be able to take the feat "craft wondrous item".

However, I can't find any mention for or against it. The kineticist uses spell-like abilities that have DC's like a caster, but the kineticist class doesn't seem to make any mention of using actual magic or being a caster than I can find.

[Paladin of Baha-who?]

Spell-like abilities don't count for crafting feats. However, master craftsman would work, as would a 3-level dip in a casting class to allow crafting.

[blackbloodtroll]

Paladin of Baha-who? wrote:

Spell-like abilities don't count for crafting feats.

They used to.....

[Torbyne]

That could be a cool ruling, "for purposes of item creation, a kineticist counts their class levels as caster levels and any wild talent with an element type counts as any spell of equal or lower level with a matching element type for item creation purposes."

[Torbyne]

Also allows some thematic stuff, a smith who knows fire and air and is their own blast furnace.

[thorin001]

That would work for Alchemists too, but that issue still hasn't been resolved.

[QuidEst]

thorin001 wrote:

That would work for Alchemists too, but that issue still hasn't been resolved.

They get a Dicovery for Craft Constuct, at any rate.

[Torbyne]

QuidEst wrote:

thorin001 wrote:

That would work for Alchemists too, but that issue still hasn't been resolved.

They get a Dicovery for Craft Constuct, at any rate.

They get a discovery that explicitly lets them get around the rules preventing them from general item creation, it doesnt directly relate to the kineticist but would seem to add more weight to the kineticist not being a caster without taking some special feat/talent that hasnt been printed yet and the kineticist diadem not being an item that can actually be crafted under the current rules. Paradox... perfect for an occult treasure.

[Casual Viking]

Any caster with Craft Wondrous Item can just take the +5 DC hit for (not being a level 10 Kineticist".

[Psyren]

1) Be a Kineticist with Master Craftsman.

2) Be a non-Kineticist spellcaster and take the DC bump for not being a kineticist.

3) Co-operative crafting.

[Shadow_Charlatan]

One thing for crafting kineticists is that even with Master Craftsman they can't make a Hollow Rod or Overflowing Rod (which are both kineticist specific) unless they multiclass or Co-operative crafting is involved, since both require Craft Rod.

Perhaps in the next book that has kineticists they'll include a feat to fix that oversight.