Azata, Improved Familiar, stats, ranks, what?


Rules Questions


Ok, I'm doing a level 7 wizard with Imp Familiar and Azata.

How do I build the familiar?

Saving Throws: For each saving throw, use either the familiar's base save bonus (Fortitude +2, Reflex +2, Will +0) or the master's (as calculated from all his classes), whichever is better.

Do I chose the +2 in Fort or the +1 the Azata has? Do I choose the +3 from Azata, or +2 from general familiar?

Does the familiar retains all its ranks, meaning it gets access to +3 because it's a class skill plus my ranks (7 because I'm level 7)?

Do Spell Like abilities scale according to my HD for duration? Or is the caster level always the same?

Sczarni

You just have to deconstruct it.

As a 3hd Outsider the Lyrakien has Fort +1, Ref +3, Will +3. As a 7hd Wizard you'll have Fort +2, Ref +2, Will +5. Your Familiar's base saves would then be Fort +2, Ref +3, Will +5. Add in its Dex/Con/Wis modifiers to get its final values.

Same for skill ranks. Use whichever # is higher. It has 3 ranks in Bluff, for example. If you have 7 ranks, then the Azata uses those instead of its 3.

It retains its CL, because nothing in the Familiar entry states that CL gets increased.


It retains it's CL, because it has a specific CL that isn't tied to HD (it just happens to be the same number).

Note that your familiar has the class skills of the Outsider type, not your class skills or the Animal type class skills listed in the familiar entry.


Ok that makes more sense, thanks.

I had doubts about the saves, and as long as it has 1 rank in a skill it will gain the Cross Class Skill Bonus if the ranks belong to it.


Also the Lyraken ability Starlight Blast should have its DC scale with your level as it becomes her HD.

So it becomes 10 + Your wizard level/2 + Lyraken's con modifier.

Also the BAB is yours (thus actually becomes higher from level 8 onwards) and it can use Dex to hit as if she has Weapon Finesse.


It does scale? Well, in all honestly is not a really useful power, and the DC is really low, but it's good to know.

How can you tell the difference? What scales with what?
For example usually CL is tied to HD, why this won't happen for the Spell like abilites?


Letric wrote:

It does scale? Well, in all honestly is not a really useful power, and the DC is really low, but it's good to know.

How can you tell the difference? What scales with what?
For example usually CL is tied to HD, why this won't happen for the Spell like abilites?

The spell-like abilities do not scale because their CL is hardcoded and do not reference the user's HD

On the other hand when an ability says "The save DC is X-based" where X is an ability score, it does mean that the DC is 10 + HD/2 + X modifier.


Entryhazard wrote:
Letric wrote:

It does scale? Well, in all honestly is not a really useful power, and the DC is really low, but it's good to know.

How can you tell the difference? What scales with what?
For example usually CL is tied to HD, why this won't happen for the Spell like abilites?

The spell-like abilities do not scale because their CL is hardcoded and do not reference the user's HD

On the other hand when an ability says "The save DC is X-based" where X is an ability score, it does mean that the DC is 10 + HD/2 + X modifier.

Thanks, I would have never noticed that.


Familiars don't gain hit dice. They count as your HD for effects that relate to hit dice, which means things like the sleep spell, but they don't have higher HD and DC remains the same as the base creature (with the exception of changed attribute bonuses).


Dave Justus wrote:
Familiars don't gain hit dice. They count as your HD for effects that relate to hit dice, which means things like the sleep spell, but they don't have higher HD and DC remains the same as the base creature (with the exception of changed attribute bonuses).

So its abilities aren't effects that factor HD? Really weird

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