So I wanted to make a monk spear wielding mounted sohei combatant.
Monks are proficient with Spears, does that mean for Flurry of Blows I can use the Spear as a "Special Monk Weapon"?
If not where is the full list of "Special Monk Weapons"?
Thanks for your time!
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Look for an ability called "Monk" on the weapon, alongside abilities such as Disarm or Trip. Only weapons with the Monk special quality are monk weapons. I'm not entirely sure if there's a compiled list anywhere...
Also, note that monks are not automatically proficient with monk weapons unless your archetype says so.
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A "Special Monk Weapon" is a weapon that has "monk" as a special ability in the equipment table. In the CRB, those include Quarterstaff, Nunchaku, Sai, Siangham, and Shuriken. Since spear does not have that ability, despite the monk being proficient with it, you cannot use the spear as part of the flurry of blows.
So my Sohei mounted monk could take the mounted skirmisher feat, have his mount charge and say use Flurry of Blows with a Nunchaku (Which would look very cool haha)?
But not with a spear.
Its a very limited list of weapons for the Flurry of Blows it seems.
You guys rock! I didnt even read that as Im starting at 4th level.
SO!
4th level Sohei monk.
Took Eldritch Heritage and Boon Companion.
Took a Bull of Zagresh mount.
Gave him a 3 Int.
Gave him Improved Unarmed Strike and Dragon style.
So I have to wait until 6th level to spirited charge with lance and then flurry but it will be worth the wait.
Can my mount trample as part of a charge attack? Then if he only moves 20 to 30 feet I can still flurry?
And waiting until level 6 is not too bad. You are 2 handing at early levels- that is one of the better moves really.
Waiting until after you get weapon training, BAB, and such to counteract the -2 penalty is fine.
Other notes about your suggested build-
-Eldritch heritage does not work. You cannot use wild blooded for that feat (that bloodline is a perfect example of why- the wildblooded version trades both the first level power and the arcana; the feat does not give you an arcana, so you do not ahve the thing to trade for it). There is the animal ally feat though, which just need one extra feat and no need for 13 cha. So fair trade.
- not sure if this has come up, but just mentioning it- lances only gives extra damage on the first hit of a charge. If you use mounted skirmisher, every other hit is normal. Still a fairly big boost to damage though, and pretty much worth it.
As a Sohei, you can flurry with any weapon with which you have weapon training as well as monk weapons. You can get weapon training with polearms which will include spears at 6th level.
i've been trying to find a way to flurry with a rapier, i'm so glad i found this.
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i've been trying to find a way to flurry with a rapier, i'm so glad i found this.As a Sohei, you can flurry with any weapon with which you have weapon training as well as monk weapons. You can get weapon training with polearms which will include spears at 6th level.
You can't take weapon training light blades as a sohei, unfortunately. You can take Sohei 6 and Weapon Master Fighter 3 to flurry with the rapier, but crusader's flurry is faster and easier.
already wanting to multiclass like balls, won't do.
i've been trying to find a way to flurry with a rapier, i'm so glad i found this.As a Sohei, you can flurry with any weapon with which you have weapon training as well as monk weapons. You can get weapon training with polearms which will include spears at 6th level.
A level of cleric (or a straight sacred fist) plus Crusader's Flurry can get you flurry with a rapier.
but then i have to worship some guy with rapier as his favored weapon
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but then i have to worship some guy with rapier as his favored weapon
Cayden Cailean's a cool dude.
Cayden Cailean's a cool dude.but then i have to worship some guy with rapier as his favored weapon
...who is a bit "too much" for most lawful people, such as monks.
I know there are options to get around this, but it is still something to consider. It is that disparity between optimization and what people might actually have.
This could be as jarring as a ton of people worshipping the dwarven goddess of marriage back in the days where an SLA qualified you for arcane strike (the alluring trait gives your level as caster level, which makes it perfect for that feat).
(random side note for personal thoughts- since my mind went to common optimization combos while writing this, just a justification for a couple:
-paladins with fey foundling: that could be interesting, since it could make paladin orders into some weird mystical organization that only uses fairy touched children. It could be nice world building.
- wizard/magus with magic lineage: well, they were raised by casters, not hard to see that influence
-half elf summoners: that could be interesting it their "Two-ness" made them well suited to getting that first bond with otherworldly creatures)
i wunt tah be ricard from dah durk sals
but then i have to worship some guy with rapier as his favored weapon
Cayden Cailean CG [NG for monk with adopted(Enlightened Warrior)]
Besmara CN [N for monk with adopted(Enlightened Warrior)]Arazni NE (LE for monk)
Zura CE
Count Ranalc CN (N for monk with adopted(Enlightened Warrior)]
Skrymir CG (NG for monk with adopted[Enlightened Warrior])
Hastur CE
Quindiovatos LE (LE or LN for monk)
I only know of cayden, and i know ricard aint no drinker
Well, I've got NO clue who "ricard from dah durk sals" is.
Any of these "Areas of Concern" fit?
Ale, bravery, freedom, wine
Piracy, sea monsters, strife
Command of undeath, lichdom
Blood, cannibalism, vampires
Betrayal, exiles, shadows
Riddles, wanderlust, wit
Decadence, disorder, nihilism
Exploration, gems, legends
You can look these gods up on Nethys.
Well, I've got NO clue who "ricard from dah durk sals" is.
it's just a joke for anyone who plays dark souls, he's just some guy who tries to murder you with a rapier, he wears full plate but stabs like crazy with a rapier.
probably the last pack, exploration and legends, it's likely ricard was there seeking to find a way to end the curse
from the description of his weapon
"A rapier with intricate decorations. Chosen
weapon of the infamous Undead Prince Ricard.
Ricard's exploits are told in a monomyth.
He was born into royalty, but wandered the
lands in a fateful ill-conceived journey.
He became Undead, and disappeared up North."
"An exquisitely decorated rapier.
Said to belong to a prince who appears in an ancient tale.
There are numerous variations of the story of the prince who wandered the lands and eventually became Undead.
The majority of these tales end in tragedy. but there are some exceptions."
of note: undead is very different from normal undead, it's mostly that they no longer die but slowly forget themselves eventually going mad trying to steal humanity from others. (and i'm not trying to represent this aspect)
but then i have to worship some guy with rapier as his favored weapon
Cayden Cailean CG [NG for monk with adopted(Enlightened Warrior)]
Besmara CN [N for monk with adopted(Enlightened Warrior)]
Arazni NE (LE for monk)
Zura CE
Count Ranalc CN (N for monk with adopted(Enlightened Warrior)]
Skrymir CG (NG for monk with adopted[Enlightened Warrior])
Hastur CE
Quindiovatos LE (LE or LN for monk)
So only two that do not need you to waste a trait and restrict your backstory to 'I was raised by some semi divine creature'.
And if you aren't a drinker or traitorous madman, even with the restricted backstory, you only have Skrymir (which means you are a guy raised by a divine creature and you also worship a god usually reserved for giants'.)
And you are doing all this to your backstory so you can optimize and get the one specific weapon you want (whem you could get a scimitar without jumping through all these hoops by just worshipping sarenrae....and scimitars are mechanically better since you can 2 hand them, and there are various dex to damage options if that is your 'thing'). So overall, this often ends up twisted both mechanically and thematically, no?
Exploration, gems, legends is Quindiovatos, so LN or LE monk works fine.
As to "restrict your backstory to 'I was raised by some semi divine creature'" it's closer to "restricted to 'raised by a human' as Scion of Humanity is a thing and that means they "can pass for human without using the Disguise skill." I don't find it very limiting.
As to a wasted trait, myself I find the expanded alignments well worth it. N and NG fits MANY more of my concepts than any L one.
so an infernal duke that has barely any info on them. XD
so an infernal duke that has barely any info on them. XD
I don't find that a bad thing. It allows you more latitude in making the character you want.
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Exploration, gems, legends is Quindiovatos, so LN or LE monk works fine.
As to "restrict your backstory to 'I was raised by some semi divine creature'" it's closer to "restricted to 'raised by a human' as Scion of Humanity is a thing and that means they "can pass for human without using the Disguise skill." I don't find it very limiting.
As to a wasted trait, myself I find the expanded alignments well worth it. N and NG fits MANY more of my concepts than any L one.
"I was raise by a human that was secretly by a human that was secretly part angel/vampire/werewolf/wizard who knew kung-fu and taught me in the ways of animes and sparkle sparkles."
You still need to put the "I inherited super specialness from [x]" on your character sheet. While that can be ok at times, "having" to do that for your character build seems...eh...
But I may just have a deep, deep born hatred for the adopted trait after seeing dozens upon dozens of threads going on about catfolk barbarians raised in the art of growing foot long teeth by half orcs. Appearantly, there are more catfolk raised by half orcs than catfolk raised by other catfolk. Of course, this bitterness comes from the twisted and heated arguments about "claws on feet" that is thankfully dead due to FAQ now.
So overall, do not expect me to be flexible or sympathetic when it comes to any adopted shennanigans. Even when I understand that, it doesn't change my opinion on how this is typically used (minmaxing; most do not reach for this trait unless they want something). We all have our sticking points. I hope you can understand and overlook my bitterness for a bit.
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So overall, do not expect me to be flexible or sympathetic when it comes to any adopted shennanigans. Even when I understand that, it doesn't change my opinion on how this is typically used (minmaxing; most do not reach for this trait unless they want something). We all have our sticking points. I hope you can understand and overlook my bitterness for a bit.
Oh, I can understand. We all have our pet peeves. I'm far more annoyed at how limited the trait is to bypass the monk alignment limit than I ever could be at the one that opens it up to the rest of the muggles. To each their own.
My main point was to point out that in this instance, the backstory was a lot more open with the introduction of 'human' parents into the mix.
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It's an extremely gray area, but the argument could be made that you can't take the trait with Adopted, since you don't meet the subracial prerequisite.
I don't know that I (or anyone else) would rule this way - especially for Enlightened Warrior, which I think should be more readily available anyway - but the argument could be made.
So... those half-orcs, right? Always teaching their feline children to grow giant tusks...
It's an extremely gray area, but the argument could be made that you can't take the trait with Adopted, since you don't meet the subracial prerequisite.
I don't know that I (or anyone else) would rule this way - especially for Enlightened Warrior, which I think should be more readily available anyway - but the argument could be made.
So... those half-orcs, right? Always teaching their feline children to grow giant tusks...
Don't forget raising them to be barbarians that use beast totem to grow claws on their feet.
Unfortunately, that tribe got wiped out by the mighty lord FAQ. I hear their remnants tried to become alchemists with extra limbs.
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They don't actually grow the tusks, they just use a wondrous item from another world called a tooth sharpener.
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Myself for Sohei 8 (Monk weapon group) w/ the Tiefling alternate Table item for no penalty on oversized weapons. Or if you're more patient, whatever race you like + Titan Fighter 7.
Flurry with a Large-sized Urumi for 2d6 base damage (+1 if Tiefling w/ Superior Clutch trait) at no penalty, and an 18-20 Crit range before your Keen/Imp.Crit.
Damage is boring, but, lots of damage with an Imp. TWF attack routine is less boring.
IF you can score both the tiefling alternate racial thing AND Titan fighter 7, well, now we consider Polearm mastery instead for a Large sized Nodachi?? 2d8+1 w/ the big crit range. Or maybe if crit-fishing is not your bag use a large sized Lucern Hammer at 3d6 base / hit?