Hybrids of good and evil?


Lost Omens Campaign Setting General Discussion


Looking around at the various monsters, classes, and concepts set forth under pathfinder, I've noticed a niche that I don't think has been filled. Things that integrate opposing extremes, be it by creation such as D&D's concordant killer which are believed to be a mix of celestial and fiend, or by will, such as some sort of class that tries to draw from opposing forces. Is there anything out there under pathfinder that does this? Have I missed something or is it something either impossible under it or simply hasn't appeared?

Silver Crusade Contributor

Xuldarinar wrote:
Looking around at the various monsters, classes, and concepts set forth under pathfinder, I've noticed a niche that I don't think has been filled. Things that integrate opposing extremes, be it by creation such as D&D's concordant killer which are believed to be a mix of celestial and fiend, or by will, such as some sort of class that tries to draw from opposing forces. Is there anything out there under pathfinder that does this? Have I missed something or is it something either impossible under it or simply hasn't appeared?

You may wish to investigate the outsider race known as aeons... they're more or less what you're looking for. ^_^


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While I don't see the exact mix I seek, something both distinctly a mix of good and evil, I am shocked I never gave them a serious look before. Thank you.

Shadow Lodge

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There's also nothing that prevents you from putting a celestial template on an evil outsider, or a fiendish template on a good outsider. Doing so gives you the feel more of an environmental effect or experimentation/construction than something that appeared naturally or has a society, but in Golarion that's kind of what that niche is.

There's at least one PFS scenario which has played around with that.

Scenario Name:
05-13 Weapon in the Rift for levels 7-11


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In 3.5 there was a monster book from Bastion Press called Complete Minions. It had an outsider called that forlorn that is a mix of celestial and fiendish with appropriate powers.

Pathfinder has the forlarren born from a fiend and a nymph and containing internal conflicts.


In a very high-level game, I once had a trickster god running around, and as one result of his activities, the players had to deal with a baby half-celestial marilith. It was somewhat disconcerting.


For monsters, Paizo has the above-mentioned Forrlarren; I don't know of any other non-unique types off the top of my head. For unique monsters and deities, the Pathfinder Campaign Setting has Ragathiel, and Wrath of the Righteous features 1 and (depending upon how things go) reportedly the potential for a second redeemed Evil Outsider (to say more would require spoilers). For feats and prestige classes, see Versatile Chenneling and Envoy of Balance (although these require you to be actually Neutral with respect to Good ad Evil -- apparently you can't get Negative Channeling if you are Good, although Rules As Written, an Evil Oracle of Life with Positive Channeling is possible).


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All good bits of information, thank you. I never quite understood why positive energy had to be a tool for good and negative energy had to be a tool for evil, I think the opportunity to swap the two creates a lot of interesting opportunities for characters and creatures, and as I recall there are evil creatures of the former.

I do have to ask, going back to Aeon. I've seen there is an Aeon subdomain, but I don't know of any deities that grant it. Do any?

And speaking of aeon, why do you think they are among the list of outsiders that aren't yet options as an unchained summoner's eidolon?

Silver Crusade Contributor

According to the original sourcebook, Nethys and Sivanah grant the Aeon subdomain.

As for eidolons, a lot were left out... and aeons aren't as popular as many others. (I'm still sore that my beloved kytons were left out...)

Grand Lodge

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Xuldarinar wrote:
While I don't see the exact mix I seek, something both distinctly a mix of good and evil, I am shocked I never gave them a serious look before. Thank you.

It's called being Neutral.


Im sore too on the kyton eidolon. I love kyton. There some wonderful fluff that can go with changing their evolutions.

And i meant a creature manifesting this.


There's a template for a "Dichotomous Creature", which fuses two outsiders together (and they must have at least one opposite alignment). I think it was from Pathways magazine somewhere, but I'd have to double-check which issue.

The Advanced Bestiary also has the Amalgam template, which is another way of fusing creatures together to create something new. If you REALLY want to stretch it, 3.5's Weapons of Legacy has rules for evolving items that can follow two (or more) paths.

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