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Can a wizard, who is level 10, say, scribe a 9th level scroll like Gate to their spell book (providing they roll high enough)? Apparently this is a yes.
Now, with the spell understood (but un-castable due to the level requirements) and in their spell book, can they scribe a new scroll with that spell on it?
I understand Magus must both understand and be able to cast the spell to scribe the scroll... is there any such limitation on straight Wizard class characters?
Can they just get a bunch of high level spells and bring them into their spell books and (not PFS game) pump them out for folks to use (UMD) in their group?
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In order to scribe a scroll, you also need to be able to memorize or otherwise cast the spell for each day's labor required to scribe said scroll.
Since a 9th level spell costs 3825 to buy, or 1912.5 to scribe, that is two days labor to scribe said scroll. If you are unable to cast the spell yourself form one of your spell slots, that means two scrolls to scribe a single scroll.
From the PRD, Magic Item CReation rules:
Note that all items have prerequisites in their descriptions. These prerequisites must be met for the item to be created. Most of the time, they take the form of spells that must be known by the item's creator (although access through another magic item or spellcaster is allowed). The DC to create a magic item increases by +5 for each prerequisite the caster does not meet. The only exception to this is the requisite item creation feat, which is mandatory. In addition, you cannot create potions, spell-trigger, or spell-completion magic items without meeting their spell prerequisites.
Scrolls are spell completion items.
Sorry, the answer is no, as you must be able to prepare the spell to be scribed.
The creator must have prepared the spell to be scribed (or must know the spell, in the case of a sorcerer or bard) and must provide any material component or focus the spell requires. A material component is consumed when she begins writing, but a focus is not. (A focus used in scribing a scroll can be reused.) The act of writing triggers the prepared spell, making it unavailable for casting until the character has rested and regained spells. (That is, that spell slot is expended from the caster's currently prepared spells, just as if it had been cast.)
Kinevon, I thought the time to create a magic item was based off of the base price rather than the cost, so it would take 4 days to create a scroll of gate.
Kinevon, I thought the time to create a magic item was based off of the base price rather than the cost, so it would take 4 days to create a scroll of gate.
This is correct.
Time Required Scribing a scroll requires 1 day per 1,000 gp of the base price.
You'll also note that the chart on that same page says "Table: Scroll Base Costs By Scriber's Class" (and you'll find the price of 3,825 listed for wizards' 9th level spells on that chart.
You dont need to be able to prepare a spell if you will copy it from a scroll to your spellbooik, you simply need to understand it (spellcraft check and 1 hour of reading), then you can pay the reagent costs for writting a spell into the spellbook and it takes only an hour per spell level, not days.
You can, however, write a spell into a spellbook from memory, but it must be prepared to do so.
Also, the spell on the scroll is only spent after you successfully copy it to a spellbook.
Writing a New Spell into a Spellbook
Spells Copied from Another's Spellbook or a Scroll
A wizard can also add a spell to his book whenever he encounters one on a magic scroll or in another wizard's spellbook. No matter what the spell's source, the wizard must first decipher the magical writing (see Arcane Magical Writings). Next, he must spend 1 hour studying the spell. At the end of the hour, he must make a Spellcraft check (DC 15 + spell's level). A wizard who has specialized in a school of spells gains a +2 bonus on the Spellcraft check if the new spell is from his specialty school. If the check succeeds, the wizard understands the spell and can copy it into his spellbook (see Writing a New Spell into a Spellbook). The process leaves a spellbook that was copied from unharmed, but a spell successfully copied from a magic scroll disappears from the parchment.
If the check fails, the wizard cannot understand or copy the spell. He cannot attempt to learn or copy that spell again until one week has passed. If the spell was from a scroll, a failed Spellcraft check does not cause the spell to vanish.
In most cases, wizards charge a fee for the privilege of copying spells from their spellbooks. This fee is usually equal to half the cost to write the spell into a spellbook (see Writing a New Spell into a Spellbook). Rare and unique spells might cost significantly more.
Once a wizard understands a new spell, he can record it into his spellbook.
Time: The process takes 1 hour per spell level. Cantrips (0 levels spells) take 30 minutes to record.
Space in the Spellbook: A spell takes up one page of the spellbook per spell level. Even a 0-level spell (cantrip) takes one page. A spellbook has 100 pages.
Materials and Costs: The cost for writing a new spell into a spellbook depends on the level of the spell, as noted on Table: Spell Level and Writing Costs. Note that a wizard does not have to pay these costs in time or gold for spells he gains for free at each new level.
Replacing and Copying Spellbooks
A wizard can use the procedure for learning a spell to reconstruct a lost spellbook. If he already has a particular spell prepared, he can write it directly into a new book at the same cost required to write a spell into a spellbook. The process wipes the prepared spell from his mind, just as casting it would. If he does not have the spell prepared, he can prepare it from a borrowed spellbook and then write it into a new book.
Duplicating an existing spellbook uses the same procedure as replacing it, but the task is much easier. The time requirement and cost per page are halved.
Now, about writing scrolls, you must be able to cast it and have it prepared, or have a bunch of scrolls ready to cast it everyday during the creation process (with spellcraft checks or the spell will fail).
Creating Scrolls
To create a scroll, a character needs a supply of choice writing materials, the cost of which is subsumed in the cost for scribing the scroll: 12.5 gp × the level of the spell × the level of the caster.
All writing implements and materials used to scribe a scroll must be fresh and unused. A character must pay the full cost for scribing each spell scroll no matter how many times she previously has scribed the same spell.
The creator must have prepared the spell to be scribed (or must know the spell, in the case of a sorcerer or bard) and must provide any material component or focus the spell requires. A material component is consumed when she begins writing, but a focus is not. (A focus used in scribing a scroll can be reused.) The act of writing triggers the prepared spell, making it unavailable for casting until the character has rested and regained spells. (That is, that spell slot is expended from the caster's currently prepared spells, just as if it had been cast.)
Time Required Scribing a scroll requires 1 day per 1,000 gp of the base price. Although an individual scroll might contain more than one spell, each spell must be scribed as a separate effort, meaning that no more than 1 spell can be scribed in a day.
Feat(s) Required: Scribe Scroll.
Skill(s) Required: Spellcraft, Craft (calligraphy), or Profession (scribe).
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Kinevon, I thought the time to create a magic item was based off of the base price rather than the cost, so it would take 4 days to create a scroll of gate.This is correct.
Time Required Scribing a scroll requires 1 day per 1,000 gp of the base price.You'll also note that the chart on that same page says "Table: Scroll Base Costs By Scriber's Class" (and you'll find the price of 3,825 listed for wizards' 9th level spells on that chart.
Sorry, I don't often deal with the item creation stuff, mainly play PFS, and my home game doesn't have much item creation going on yet.
But that means that, essentially, in order to create a scroll of a spell that you are casting from a scroll, it costs a minimum of one scroll (for lower level spells) to 4 scrolls (for 9th level spells) to create a single scroll. There's a loss leader for you.
"Sure, you can create a scroll of Gate, but, since you are only 5th level, it will cost you a minimum of 4 scrolls of Gate, plus the possibility of missing one or more of the DC 18 caster level check, where you have a d20+5. And, if you miss by 5 or more, you then get to make a Wisdom check (DC 5, IIRC) or suffer a spell mishap that also ruins the scroll you failed on. Eyup."
Kinevon, I thought the time to create a magic item was based off of the base price rather than the cost, so it would take 4 days to create a scroll of gate.This is correct.
Time Required Scribing a scroll requires 1 day per 1,000 gp of the base price.You'll also note that the chart on that same page says "Table: Scroll Base Costs By Scriber's Class" (and you'll find the price of 3,825 listed for wizards' 9th level spells on that chart.Sorry, I don't often deal with the item creation stuff, mainly play PFS, and my home game doesn't have much item creation going on yet.
But that means that, essentially, in order to create a scroll of a spell that you are casting from a scroll, it costs a minimum of one scroll (for lower level spells) to 4 scrolls (for 9th level spells) to create a single scroll. There's a loss leader for you.
"Sure, you can create a scroll of Gate, but, since you are only 5th level, it will cost you a minimum of 4 scrolls of Gate, plus the possibility of missing one or more of the DC 18 caster level check, where you have a d20+5. And, if you miss by 5 or more, you then get to make a Wisdom check (DC 5, IIRC) or suffer a spell mishap that also ruins the scroll you failed on. Eyup."
"And then the doctor says 'Don't do that...'"
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"And then the doctor says 'Don't do that...'"Kinevon, I thought the time to create a magic item was based off of the base price rather than the cost, so it would take 4 days to create a scroll of gate.This is correct.
Time Required Scribing a scroll requires 1 day per 1,000 gp of the base price.You'll also note that the chart on that same page says "Table: Scroll Base Costs By Scriber's Class" (and you'll find the price of 3,825 listed for wizards' 9th level spells on that chart.Sorry, I don't often deal with the item creation stuff, mainly play PFS, and my home game doesn't have much item creation going on yet.
But that means that, essentially, in order to create a scroll of a spell that you are casting from a scroll, it costs a minimum of one scroll (for lower level spells) to 4 scrolls (for 9th level spells) to create a single scroll. There's a loss leader for you.
"Sure, you can create a scroll of Gate, but, since you are only 5th level, it will cost you a minimum of 4 scrolls of Gate, plus the possibility of missing one or more of the DC 18 caster level check, where you have a d20+5. And, if you miss by 5 or more, you then get to make a Wisdom check (DC 5, IIRC) or suffer a spell mishap that also ruins the scroll you failed on. Eyup."
That's where I was heading, yup.
I figured it spoke for itself.
Depending on how irritated you made your GM, I could see a spell mishap on a Gate scroll as winding up in one of the outer dimensions yourself, in front of something that could be Gated... And probably has a hate on for those who would use that spell...