Chiss stormtroopers I assume.
You're probably right, but if so, then shouldn't they be more blue than black?
Chiss stormtroopers I assume.
wouldn't the Chiss be blue?
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Everyone knows the Star Wars version of drow are Dathomirians. :)
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And now I think we should civilly discuss how to correctly pronounce 'drow'
Everyone knows it rhymes with bow.
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And now I think we should civilly discuss how to correctly pronounce 'drow'Everyone knows it rhymes with bow.
That is awesome. :-)
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So...apparently there is some sort of ruckus being caused by people over having ONE African-American actor in the movie.
Some people are calling for a boycott because they feel that it's not white enough?
I REALLY don't get this. Are these people blind?
I believe their stated problem is the lack of white males; Obviously, Rey is female; less obviously, Oscar Isaac (the actor who plays Poe) is Hispanic. I have no idea why they don't count Harrison Ford or Mark Hamill.
(Just to be clear, I'm not defending their position, which I think is pretty indefensible.)
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Wait, people still care about skin pigmentation? Weirdos.
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I thought that whole "not white enough" thing was started by a group of internet trolls specifically for the purpose of getting people angry. Nobody actually thinks that.
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You'd be really surprised.I thought that whole "not white enough" thing was started by a group of internet trolls specifically for the purpose of getting people angry. Nobody actually thinks that.
Well, some people probably do believe that. So I think it would be more correct to say that nobody with enough social media influence to get a topic trending actually believes that.
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Well, some people probably do believe that. So I think it would be more correct to say that nobody with enough social media influence to get a topic trending actually believes that.You'd be really surprised.I thought that whole "not white enough" thing was started by a group of internet trolls specifically for the purpose of getting people angry. Nobody actually thinks that.
One can hope.
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I thought that whole "not white enough" thing was started by a group of internet trolls specifically for the purpose of getting people angry. Nobody actually thinks that.
there are a surprising number of bigots in this and just about every hobby. They usually keep to themselves and say little about their views, unless some change is made to the mythos or a remake comes out that changes a character or introduces a new one, then the moaning about "the way of life"/"what the original creator intended(or didnt)"/"when I was a kid, this wasn't seen as a problem" and similar left handed comments begins. It pays to step lightly and pay attention, although one always runs the risk of being over-vigilant.
The movie is going to sell like hot cakes. Not disputing that. The issue is, where does VIII end up? Not having a white male hero could, sadly, hurt the bottom line.
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Going to sell? It is already the record holder for tickets sold on pre-order. So many tried to buy when pre-order went live that it crashed the servers.
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I think it's pretty clear who won the "how to save theaters" argument between Sielberg and Cameron. Clearly Spielberg was right. What was this argument? Back not long ago theaters were failing and every year fewer people saw movies as home entertainment was king. Cameron said the way to save theaters was to move to a format people couldn't watch at home... 3d. Spielberg disagreed and said the way forward was to make each movie into a big event that you HAD to be there for to enjoy it best.
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The movie is going to sell like hot cakes. Not disputing that. The issue is, where does VIII end up? Not having a white male hero could, sadly, hurt the bottom line.
I'm curious: has this effect ever actually been demonstrated? Or is it just "conventional wisdom"?
The movie is going to sell like hot cakes. Not disputing that. The issue is, where does VIII end up? Not having a white male hero could, sadly, hurt the bottom line.I'm curious: has this effect ever actually been demonstrated? Or is it just "conventional wisdom"?
it shows up in sales, usually.
it shows up in sales, usually.The movie is going to sell like hot cakes. Not disputing that. The issue is, where does VIII end up? Not having a white male hero could, sadly, hurt the bottom line.I'm curious: has this effect ever actually been demonstrated? Or is it just "conventional wisdom"?
Presumably. But have there been any studies or in-depth analyses? What was their methodology?
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Presumably. But have there been any studies or in-depth analyses? What was their methodology?it shows up in sales, usually.The movie is going to sell like hot cakes. Not disputing that. The issue is, where does VIII end up? Not having a white male hero could, sadly, hurt the bottom line.I'm curious: has this effect ever actually been demonstrated? Or is it just "conventional wisdom"?
Studies? None to my knowledge. In depth analyses? Beyond complaints on forums directly related to the subject, very little. Methodology seems to revolve around complaining online and ceasing to financially support the material, which is why one should look at the aforementioned bottom line.
In practice, few people who have an issue with the lack of a white male hero/lead are going to go around saying so openly or wearing their disdain on snarky t-shirts. This is a far more subtle arena, and should be treated as such. That said, there is a danger in being convinced that everyone who has a problem with the movie at this point in time is a bigot.
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The movie is going to sell like hot cakes. Not disputing that. The issue is, where does VIII end up? Not having a white male hero could, sadly, hurt the bottom line.
I doubt it.
1) Its starwars
2) you're talking about a fanbase more likely to worry about the significance of the color of a light saber.
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That said, I'd expect the effect to be less on a franchise like Star Wars than almost anywhere else. People are going for the franchise's reputation, not for any particular actor.
While this is true, I am also going for Gwendoline Christie in addition to it being Star Wars. I love her in Game of Thrones, and I'm very interested in any female stromtrooper in Star Wars, especially one who becomes a captain and is being played by someone who is capable of being a tough woman in a man's world.
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While this is true, I am also going for Gwendoline Christie in addition to it being Star Wars. I love her in Game of Thrones, and I'm very interested in any female stromtrooper in Star Wars, especially one who becomes a captain and is being played by someone who is capable of being a tough woman in a man's world.
That said, I'd expect the effect to be less on a franchise like Star Wars than almost anywhere else. People are going for the franchise's reputation, not for any particular actor.
Female stormtrooper sounds wonderful.
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I think it's pretty clear who won the "how to save theaters" argument between Sielberg and Cameron. Clearly Spielberg was right. What was this argument? Back not long ago theaters were failing and every year fewer people saw movies as home entertainment was king. Cameron said the way to save theaters was to move to a format people couldn't watch at home... 3d. Spielberg disagreed and said the way forward was to make each movie into a big event that you HAD to be there for to enjoy it best.
If you're using The Force Awakens ticket presales as evidence for "Spielberg's side," note that a significant quantity of those presales—I'd guess the majority, actually—are for 3D showings...
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I think it's pretty clear who won the "how to save theaters" argument between Sielberg and Cameron. Clearly Spielberg was right. What was this argument? Back not long ago theaters were failing and every year fewer people saw movies as home entertainment was king. Cameron said the way to save theaters was to move to a format people couldn't watch at home... 3d. Spielberg disagreed and said the way forward was to make each movie into a big event that you HAD to be there for to enjoy it best.If you're using The Force Awakens ticket presales as evidence for "Spielberg's side," note that a significant quantity of those presales—I'd guess the majority, actually—are for 3D showings...
While that may be true, I think the presales would be as strong if there was no 3d available for the film at all. I got presale tickets because I want to see this as soon as possible, I don't care what format it's in. Since I don't care to illegally download it, that means going to the theater.
Honestly, the only 3d effects that were worth the price and hassle of admission was Avatar, and the story was awful there. I don't expect great things from the 3d on The Force Awakens, but I'm not going for that.
I'm going for Star Wars.
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The movie is going to sell like hot cakes. Not disputing that. The issue is, where does VIII end up? Not having a white male hero could, sadly, hurt the bottom line.I'm curious: has this effect ever actually been demonstrated? Or is it just "conventional wisdom"?
I'm not really sure anyone has ever done an in-depth hot cakes/not hot cakes comparison.
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I'm not really sure anyone has ever done an in-depth hot cakes/not hot cakes comparison.The movie is going to sell like hot cakes. Not disputing that. The issue is, where does VIII end up? Not having a white male hero could, sadly, hurt the bottom line.I'm curious: has this effect ever actually been demonstrated? Or is it just "conventional wisdom"?
All we have to do is stand outside of a movie theater with a pancake stand, and see whether people buy more movie tickets, or more pancakes. Seems like a solid methodology. #IFLS
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All we have to do is stand outside of a movie theater with a pancake stand, and see whether people buy more movie tickets, or more pancakes. Seems like a solid methodology. #IFLSI'm not really sure anyone has ever done an in-depth hot cakes/not hot cakes comparison.The movie is going to sell like hot cakes. Not disputing that. The issue is, where does VIII end up? Not having a white male hero could, sadly, hurt the bottom line.I'm curious: has this effect ever actually been demonstrated? Or is it just "conventional wisdom"?
Damnit! Now I'm hungry.
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Are those like the Jesus waffles except they have the face of Obi-Wan?
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3D just gives me a headache.
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3D just gives me a headache.
While it doesn't give me a headache I can't stand it. I have only seen two movies in 3d and both were hideous experiences (the Ray Winstone Beowolf and Avatar).
A perfect storm of extra money, the hassle of wearing the goggles with or without my normal glasses, and most importantly, no appreciable difference to my viewing pleasure. Sure, there's a 'trick shot' or two at the start to tell you you're watching 3d but most of the time you stop going 'ooohhhh' (if in fact you ever did).
I love Star Wars but if it was only released in 3d I wouldn't see it. I'd wait for the Blu-ray/dvd.
Cheers
Mark
PS - best effect in Avatar: the mirror-chrome effect on the spaceship coming into orbit right at the start. You can stop watching after that.
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I'm not a fan of 3D either. To me, it just feels more like a gimmick than anything else. As others have said, I actively avoid 3D films.
In fact, if The Force Awakens came out in theaters exclusively in 3D a few weeks before the standard version hit theaters, I'd skip the early screenings and wait for the 2D version