Seems a little fuzzy to me.
New arcana reads:
At 9th level, you can add any one spell from the sorcerer/wizard spell list to your list of spells known. This spell must be of a level that you are capable of casting. You can also add one additional spell at 13th level and 17th level.
So what happens if you took eldritch heritage as, for example, a magus? And, for the sake of argument, you picked a spell that's on the sorcerer/wizard spell list that is NOT on the magus spell list? Does it get added to your list of spells known as a magus spell?
Are you limited to spells that exist on both your list and the sorcerer/wizard spell list, since you're able to learn it via this feature because it's on the sorcerer/wizard list and you're able to cast it because it's on your spellcasting list?
And another only slightly related question, are these spells learned retroactive? For example, if I took the feat to gain new arcana at level 19, would I instantly learn 3 new spells, potentially all from the highest spell level of that class?
From the FAQ:
New Spells Known: If I gain the ability to add a spell that is not on my spell list to my list of spells known, without adding it to my spell list, can I cast it?
No. Adding a spell to your list of spells known does not add it to the spell list of that class unless they are added by a class feature of that same class. For example, sorcerers add their bloodline spells to their sorcerer spell list and oracles add their mystery spells to their oracle spell list. The spell slots of a class can only be used to cast spells that appear on the spell list of that class.
So bonus spells gained via a bloodline feature gained via a feat do not actually get added to your list unless they exist on your character's list?
The question still stands, though. Say I used bloodrager as an example. If I took the feat that allowed me new arcana as a bloodrager, would I be able to add spells that happen to exist on both the sorcerer/wizard list and the bloodrager list as bloodrager spells?
From the FAQ:
New Spells Known: If I gain the ability to add a spell that is not on my spell list to my list of spells known, without adding it to my spell list, can I cast it?
No. Adding a spell to your list of spells known does not add it to the spell list of that class unless they are added by a class feature of that same class. For example, sorcerers add their bloodline spells to their sorcerer spell list and oracles add their mystery spells to their oracle spell list. The spell slots of a class can only be used to cast spells that appear on the spell list of that class.
So bonus spells gained via a bloodline feature gained via a feat do not actually get added to your list unless they exist on your character's list?
The question still stands, though. Say I used bloodrager as an example. If I took the feat that allowed me new arcana as a bloodrager, would I be able to add spells that happen to exist on both the sorcerer/wizard list and the bloodrager list as bloodrager spells?
You can add them as extra known spells
as they have to already be in the bloodrager spell list technically they're not added to your spell list as they are already there.
But it's possible for the Eldritch Scion to get Bloodrager spells off his bloodline that are not also Magus spells.
Hideous Laughter is one such example I recall.
That's because Eldritch Scion get those spells through a class feature.
But it's possible for the Eldritch Scion to get Bloodrager spells off his bloodline that are not also Magus spells.
Hideous Laughter is one such example I recall.
What Entryhazard said. Spells added to your list of spells known are added as if they were from your class if that class does it as part of that class's features.
However, this is spells gained through a feat, so it seems that they are much more limited.
I don't believe non-sorcs can get any spells known via this method, the arcane bl power new arcana is adding to your list of sorceror spells known... spells known are not generic/global, they are specific to the class they are linked to. it doesn't matter if a spell is also on your other class's spell list, you can't use non sorc spell slots to cast your sorc spells known... unless you are talking mystic theurge. Mystic theurges special ability it still needed for spells on both of the base casting classes spell lists. G gaining arcane bl's new arcana spells known via feat is no different than gaining it as a multiclass sorc/bard, who can't cast spells known granted by one class (incl new arcana) with slots of the other class, even if that spell known is on both class spell lists.
However, this is spells gained through a feat, so it seems that they are much more limited.
exactly, a feat is not guaranteed to work completely with your class features. If the class, incl archetype, is granting it, then you gain the benefit of doubt re self referentiality of class abilities. In the feats case, that isn't true.
So basically eldritch heritage will only worth with extra arcana if I were, for some reason, a sorcerer that wasn't already of the arcane bloodline.
So basically eldritch heritage will only worth with extra arcana if I were, for some reason, a sorcerer that wasn't already of the arcane bloodline.
It will work with any spontaneous caster as long as you pick spells that are on both the Sorcerer and the X caster list.
So basically eldritch heritage will only worth with extra arcana if I were, for some reason, a sorcerer that wasn't already of the arcane bloodline.
that's my take. Certainly a decent option for other blood line sorcerers, and qualifying is easy since eh: arcane just needs ANY skill focus: knowledge, and other bloodlines tend to have one skill focus: knowledge appropriate to them a bl bonus feat.
I guess if your spellcasting class uses the sorc list as its own and uses spontaneous casting*, that MAY be allowable, or at least a grey area...
* for example, I believe bloodrager worked that way at one point during its play test, before it got unique list.