Touch and Flat Footed AC...combined?

[Xavram5]

If you act before someone else in combat, you get to attack their Flat Footed AC (IE, they get no Dex bonus, assuming they don't have Uncanny Dodge or something like that). What happens if you're using a Touch attack? Should your attack resolve against their Touch AC MINUS any Dex/Dodge bonuses they might have had?

This seems to make sense to me but just wanted to be sure. Example.

Target has AC 20, 10 from base, 7 from armor, 3 from Dex. So their Touch AC would 13, their Flat Footed would be 17. But if you were making a Touch attack against them WHILE they were Flat Footed, shouldn't it resolve against an AC of 10?

[Kaelan Ashenveil]

Basically. You can keep certain things, such as a deflection bonus. But at lower levels, yup. Flat Footed touch is ballpark 10 ish.

[Samasboy1]

Yes. That is correct.

[kestral287]

Take Touch AC, remove anything that flat-footed removes. So yes, in this case AC10. That can vary slightly, as there are a few things that will still apply-- Deflection, Insight, and Luck bonuses spring to mind. But it should stay pretty close to that number.

[Samasboy1]

And Size.

[Praxiteles the Golem]

Monk Wis bonus to AC also applies.

[dragonhunterq]

In the spirit of completeness (Kestral lists some of the positives that can apply) remember penalties also always apply so flatfooted touch AC of the guy with 8 dex is 9 (barring other bonuses that always apply).