Intelligent weapons question

[Eremis]

Accidentally posted this in the GM Discussions, so moving to rules ( hope this is the right place).

My PF group is about to fight a creature who has been possessed by an intelligent weapon. The weapon has its own name and identity.

One member of my group has the bow (can't recall the name) that allows you to name your enemy and do extra damage etc.

If he calls out the name of the intelligence in the weapon, does the magic work on the possessed creature? Or is the creature just a puppet who would not be affected by the extra damage?

Any help would be appreciated.

[Claxon]

I think this depends heavily on what means the intelligent item is using to control the creature, but mostly leaning towards no.

If a sorcerer used Charm Monster on a creature to force it to fight for him, you will still need to say the monsters name (not the sorcerers) to get the extra damage. Unless the intelligent item has placed his mind in the body somehow, I would say it wouldn't actually work against creature. However, if/when the player realizes the name belongs to the item he should get the benefit against the item.

[Bane Wraith]

Sounds more like a GM problem to me. As far as I'm concerned, only something like Magic Jar or a significantly more potent effect really counts, since it's truly describing "You" (your soul) to be in the new body, and the other creature, out. If it's a compulsion, no. If it's two souls sharing the same body, then both would count.

But because the 'soul' of this intelligent sword is still housed in the sword, and the wielder is merely not 'dominant', then no; the host creature is still the name to call out.

If I were GM, it would make for some awesome conflicts with the bow though; probably rule that it grants a nice bonus to sundering or disarming the weapon itself, even shoot it out of the grasp of the creature. Or treat it as a bonus to hit the creature as if the sword were a lightning rod. But by RAW... nah.

[Eremis]

Bane Wraith wrote:

Sounds more like a GM problem to me. As far as I'm concerned, only something like Magic Jar or a significantly more potent effect really counts, since it's truly describing "You" (your soul) to be in the new body, and the other creature, out. If it's a compulsion, no. If it's two souls sharing the same body, then both would count.

But because the 'soul' of this intelligent sword is still housed in the sword, and the wielder is merely not 'dominant', then no; the host creature is still the name to call out.

If I were GM, it would make for some awesome conflicts with the bow though; probably rule that it grants a nice bonus to sundering or disarming the weapon itself, even shoot it out of the grasp of the creature. Or treat it as a bonus to hit the creature as if the sword were a lightning rod. But by RAW... nah.

That's what I was thinking. I was thinking of it as a domination and not a magic jar. The Weapon would still be calling the shots. And I agree that I want the bow conflict to be there. Working on how to frame that so players can figure it out without me spelling it out.

Thanks for the responses. Looking forward to springing this on them this week!

[Cevah]

If you were to sunder the item, you would get the bonus.

/cevah