| Kacey |
If I have improved sunder and I attack a stowed item would I invoke an AoO?
For example two pole-arm fighters are going at it and I sunder his first pole-arm, he draws a dagger and moves in, then I sunder the pole-arm on his back. Would that invoke an AoO or does improve sunder mean I get to sunder the stowed item without suffering the AoO?
| Scythia |
Sunder allows you to attack a worn or carried object, right?
A stowed polearm is a worn or carried object.
Improved Sunder lets you attempt a Sunder without triggering an Attack of Opportunity, right?
So, if you have Improved Sunder you can attempt to sunder a stowed polearm without triggering an Attack of Opportunity.
James Risner
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I would say it's not valid to target if it's completely out of sight. A weapon in a sheath you can still see to target. A dagger inside a sack, not so much.
Although you could sunder the sack and see what poured out. Combat pinata.
+1
I did that to a flying wizard once from a flying monk, all his stuff fell 100 feet onto the battlefield.
| Scythia |
Scythia wrote:I would say it's not valid to target if it's completely out of sight. A weapon in a sheath you can still see to target. A dagger inside a sack, not so much.
Although you could sunder the sack and see what poured out. Combat pinata.
+1
I did that to a flying wizard once from a flying monk, all his stuff fell 100 feet onto the battlefield.
I'm imagining-
Wizard: "Fear my mastery of magics great and powerful"
Player: "That's fine, but I hope you've got an hour or two to gather up all of your junk."
-Sunders bag
| DM_Blake |
James Risner wrote:Scythia wrote:I would say it's not valid to target if it's completely out of sight. A weapon in a sheath you can still see to target. A dagger inside a sack, not so much.
Although you could sunder the sack and see what poured out. Combat pinata.
+1
I did that to a flying wizard once from a flying monk, all his stuff fell 100 feet onto the battlefield.
I'm imagining-
Wizard: "Fear my mastery of magics great and powerful"
Player: "That's fine, but I hope you've got an hour or two to gather up all of your junk."
-Sunders bag
That's what unseen servants are for.
| Scythia |
Scythia wrote:That's what unseen servants are for.
Wizard: "Fear my mastery of magics great and powerful"Player: "That's fine, but I hope you've got an hour or two to gather up all of your junk."
-Sunders bag
I don't think that would be a great idea. They don't have your awareness of possession, so you can't say "pick up my belongings", and unless it was a sack with fairly specific items, it would be problematic to give them a command that would work.
Especially if it's over a populated area.
| Hydromancer |
I would say it's not valid to target if it's completely out of sight. A weapon in a sheath you can still see to target. A dagger inside a sack, not so much.
Although you could sunder the sack and see what poured out. Combat pinata.
I love that idea.
I'm envisioning an espadachín (spanish word for sword fighter) specializing in 2 handed weapons sundering his opponents bags, spell component pouches, what have you and yelling "¡¿Quién más tiene una piñata?!" (Who else has a pinata?!)
| Cap. Darling |
I would say it's not valid to target if it's completely out of sight. A weapon in a sheath you can still see to target. A dagger inside a sack, not so much.
Although you could sunder the sack and see what poured out. Combat pinata.
Just remember what happends if you puncture a bag of Holding. And be ready for your teammates crying when it happends.
| Hydromancer |
Scythia wrote:Just remember what happends if you puncture a bag of Holding. And be ready for your teammates crying when it happends.I would say it's not valid to target if it's completely out of sight. A weapon in a sheath you can still see to target. A dagger inside a sack, not so much.
Although you could sunder the sack and see what poured out. Combat pinata.
Barb: "I BROKE HIS BAG - WAAAAAAAGH"
Rogue: "WAAAAAAARGHL"
Ranger: "Heh."
Cleric: "That's... that's horrifying! Who on this plane would carry such things?!"
The necromancer's bag of holding is spewing forth a veritable Pu Pu Platter of his life's 'reagent collection.'
| Cap. Darling |
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Cap. Darling wrote:Scythia wrote:Just remember what happends if you puncture a bag of Holding. And be ready for your teammates crying when it happends.I would say it's not valid to target if it's completely out of sight. A weapon in a sheath you can still see to target. A dagger inside a sack, not so much.
Although you could sunder the sack and see what poured out. Combat pinata.
Barb: "I BROKE HIS BAG - WAAAAAAAGH"
Rogue: "WAAAAAAARGHL"
Ranger: "Heh."
Cleric: "That's... that's horrifying! Who on this plane would carry such things?!"
The necromancer's bag of holding is spewing forth a veritable Pu Pu Platter of his life's 'reagent collection.'
The stuff in the bag is lost for good if the bag breaks.
| Hydromancer |
Hydromancer wrote:The stuff in the bag is lost for good if the bag breaks.Cap. Darling wrote:Scythia wrote:Just remember what happends if you puncture a bag of Holding. And be ready for your teammates crying when it happends.I would say it's not valid to target if it's completely out of sight. A weapon in a sheath you can still see to target. A dagger inside a sack, not so much.
Although you could sunder the sack and see what poured out. Combat pinata.
Barb: "I BROKE HIS BAG - WAAAAAAAGH"
Rogue: "WAAAAAAARGHL"
Ranger: "Heh."
Cleric: "That's... that's horrifying! Who on this plane would carry such things?!"
The necromancer's bag of holding is spewing forth a veritable Pu Pu Platter of his life's 'reagent collection.'
Ah I had forgotten about that. Could some attempt to forcefully turn it inside out if it's not won like a backpack on the opponent?
| Cap. Darling |
Cap. Darling wrote:Hydromancer wrote:The stuff in the bag is lost for good if the bag breaks.Cap. Darling wrote:Scythia wrote:Just remember what happends if you puncture a bag of Holding. And be ready for your teammates crying when it happends.I would say it's not valid to target if it's completely out of sight. A weapon in a sheath you can still see to target. A dagger inside a sack, not so much.
Although you could sunder the sack and see what poured out. Combat pinata.
Barb: "I BROKE HIS BAG - WAAAAAAAGH"
Rogue: "WAAAAAAARGHL"
Ranger: "Heh."
Cleric: "That's... that's horrifying! Who on this plane would carry such things?!"
The necromancer's bag of holding is spewing forth a veritable Pu Pu Platter of his life's 'reagent collection.'
Ah I had forgotten about that. Could some attempt to forcefully turn it inside out if it's not won like a backpack on the opponent?
I dont see how. Just lille the guy and take his xp as well as his stuff.
| Scythia |
Scythia wrote:Just remember what happends if you puncture a bag of Holding. And be ready for your teammates crying when it happends.I would say it's not valid to target if it's completely out of sight. A weapon in a sheath you can still see to target. A dagger inside a sack, not so much.
Although you could sunder the sack and see what poured out. Combat pinata.
To be fair, that's why Sunder, which can be very effective against non-monster opponents, is so rarely used. It destroys the shinies that you're expecting to forcefully inherit.