So Blessing of the Dawnflower is Kyra's Iconic Heroes P card. Its essentially a Blessing of Sarenrae with some kick for clerics. It also has the Sarenrae trait.
Kyra on 3 of her 4 role cards has a Power that does something cool when she plays a Blessing of Sarenrae.
Strictly speaking RAW Blessing of the Dawnflower is not a Blessing of Sarenrae so it would not trigger these powers on Kyra.
My question is was this intentional or as Dawnflower is essentially a fancy version of Blessing of Sarenrae and since it has the Sarenrae trait, should it count for these powers.
Mostly a flavor question.
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This post from Mike and the one from Chad below it might answer your question.
So does the sarenae trait count or not?
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I would take those posts as saying "no it doesn't, but if we were writing it now it (probably) would"
On that basis, I plan to house-rule that it counts, outside of OP
So there are always 5 blessings in the game.... How about dawnflower?
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So there are always 5 blessings in the game.... How about dawnflower?
No, because it isn't meant to be in the game box but part of a character's deck. It replaces another blessing. It is the same for the other Promo cards that come with the Iconics.
EDIT: However, if you do want to get five copies, I'm sure WizKids would be very happy to see you purchase 5 of the Iconics set. ;-)
BotGs are not 5 blessings per box. If you include a class deck, it's also not 5 blessings per box. So your so-called rule has exceptions and you shouldn't expect 5 BotDs for free.
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And just to give an example that matches this one (a promo), even the S&S blessing promo only had 5 because of delivery problems and delays, it wasn't intended to have 5. The only place where 5 Blessings is a rule is skill-specific blessings included in the game itself, and that's a small enough section to not even call it a rule.
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But Myfly wants it to be 5 and we all know what happens when Myfly wants.
But Myfly wants it to be 5 and we all know what happens when Myfly wants.
What will happen? ... the sweet & kind little teddy bear will send me those 5 as a christmas gift ! hurray! Thank you in advance :)))
Cant wait ... Christmas is still a few months to go....
No, because it isn't meant to be in the game box but part of a character's deck. It replaces another blessing. It is the same for the other Promo cards that come with the Iconics.
I don't believe that is explicitly the case. Although these cards have the added bonus of becoming part of a character's deck more easily, they still function as normal promo cards.
If you are playing the character listed as the owner of a card, you may use that card when you build your character deck. Otherwise, add it to the box anytime you add the first Adventure Deck of an Adventure Path.
But yeah, I definitely don't see such a specific blessing needing 5 copies in a game.
And on the topic, I really do wish they would have added a power to the card, something along the lines of, "This card is considered to be a Blessing of Sarenrae."
But yeah, I definitely don't see such a specific blessing needing 5 copies in a game.
Well, the thing is, when you have 5 of the same blessings in the game, it could be the case that one of the same dawnflower blesssings comes up on the blessings pile, you are holding in your hand. Then you have the opportunity to recharge it instead of discarding it.
So having 5 of the dawnflower blessings is defintely more fun to play with!!!
(And it is within the rules!)
I would take those posts as saying "no it doesn't, but if we were writing it now it (probably) would"
On that basis, I plan to house-rule that it counts, outside of OP
Why then give the dawnflower card the sarenrae trait, when it is useless???
It doesnt make any sense to me.
And on the topic, I really do wish they would have added a power to the card, something along the lines of, "This card is considered to be a Blessing of Sarenrae."
Yeah I was thinking that would be the simple fix... assuming a fix was desired... which from a thematic point of view, I'd be totally down with.
But yeah, I definitely don't see such a specific blessing needing 5 copies in a game.
Well, the thing is, when you have 5 of the same blessings in the game, it could be the case that one of the same dawnflower blesssings comes up on the blessings pile, you are holding in your hand. Then you have the opportunity to recharge it instead of discarding it.
So having 5 of the dawnflower blessings is defintely more fun to play with!!!
(And it is within the rules!)
Blessing of the Dawnflower lacks the power to recharge on a match with the blessing deck.
I would take those posts as saying "no it doesn't, but if we were writing it now it (probably) would"
On that basis, I plan to house-rule that it counts, outside of OP
Why then give the dawnflower card the sarenrae trait, when it is useless???
It doesnt make any sense to me.
A future character, maybe even future version on Kyra could have a power that interacts with that trait.
Plus, Sarenrae is the Dawnflower I believe.
Plus, Sarenrae is the Dawnflower I believe.
Yes, "The Dawnflower" is another name for Sarenrae.
And yes, Myfly, about the recharge thing, what Hawk said, since he beat me to it:
Blessing of the Dawnflower lacks the power to recharge on a match with the blessing deck.
GOT IT,
but checked the card text again.
With 5 dawnflower blessings every cleric
Becomes some sort of sajan.
You can play several on one check :)
Super cool!
RotR-Sajan finally returned dressed as a cleric :)))
And on the topic, I really do wish they would have added a power to the card, something along the lines of, "This card is considered to be a Blessing of Sarenrae."
This.
Although they can't go back and change the RotRL cards, I'm not sure why they can't just make a change to the online PDFs, if the intent is to use this blessing with Kyra's recharge power.
Although it's probably not a rule, I think the designers intended for the promo cards to be unique within a deck. I don't think the intent was to have 5 Droogamis in Lini's deck, 5 blessings of the Dawnflower in Kyra's deck, or 5 Tankards in Valeros' deck.
Although they can't go back and change the RotRL cards, I'm not sure why they can't just make a change to the online PDFs, if the intent is to use this blessing with Kyra's recharge power.
Indeed. I think this is especially important for organized play. For your home game, you can just make the judgement call and it's all fine. But in OP, you are bound by the rules. Although it's an okay card, it's not really on the same level as most of the other Iconic Heroes promos as it stands, largely since most of them have at least one power that is a reveal or recharge. I mean, I'd even go as far as saying the power should be: "This card is considered to be a Blessing of Sarenrae and if the top card of the blessing discard pile is also a Blessing of Sarenrae after playing this card, recharge it instead of discarding it." But yeah, the ship has probably long sailed on getting something like that in, so at least changing Kyra's power would be a nice little boost for this card.
Regarding OP, 1 promo is the right choice.
Regarding standard game play, 5 dawnpower blessings are not over*powered* i comply.
The gamers who got them may officially use these 5.
I like the "you may play another blessing part".
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So Blessing of the Dawnflower is Kyra's Iconic Heroes P card. Its essentially a Blessing of Sarenrae with some kick for clerics. It also has the Sarenrae trait.
Kyra on 3 of her 4 role cards has a Power that does something cool when she plays a Blessing of Sarenrae.
Strictly speaking RAW Blessing of the Dawnflower is not a Blessing of Sarenrae so it would not trigger these powers on Kyra.
My question is was this intentional or as Dawnflower is essentially a fancy version of Blessing of Sarenrae and since it has the Sarenrae trait, should it count for these powers.
Mostly a flavor question.
Thanks!
Paizo rocks. Thanks Vic and team.
This is a case of the original design team not imagining what the later design teams would come up with. This is very likely to happen a lot from hereon in, and it is the subject of some of our most impassioned debates.
There is only one thing better than a game design team that always thinks of making room for improvement.
It's a game design team that isn't afraid to review the past to always improve a game even if they didn't thought of it upfront.
Way to go guys. You the men (and the Lisa, Tanis and others too - me still having a hard time with political correctness :-)).
There is only one thing better than a game design team that always thinks of making room for improvement.
It's a game design team that isn't afraid to review the past to always improve a game even if they didn't thought of it upfront.
Way to go guys. You the men (and the Lisa, Tanis and others too - me still having a hard time with political correctness :-)).
That is the first time I have ever seen "You the man" pluralized.
Anyway, sometimes we are afraid to review the past. In a recent debate, I took the following position: "The only thing stopping us from doing this is our frustrating inability to simultaneously and instantaneously change hundreds of cards in tens of thousands of sets all across the world." Because if we were making a digital game we would do that approximately twelve times a day.
That is the first time I have ever seen "You the man" pluralized.
That's the benefit of both having lived years in Colorado (you know those purely american expressions because you had to be a good soccer dad when you girls were young) and of being a pure French-cliché native-speaking-resident. You can play with words and just pretend it was a mistake ("Blame it on me being French" is the world best excuse I know).
And since we had such a long debate (*) on plural-english-"you", that was tempting...(*) Thanks by the way, I'm learning new elfish selfish English grammar everyday thanks to PACG.
... is our frustrating inability to simultaneously and instantaneously change hundreds of cards in tens of thousands of sets all across the world...
Who cares? We are here for the fun. If the new rule is more fun, do it!
Speaking of american expression, one pops to mind : "If ain't broken don't fix it". Might want to review it to : "Broken or not, if more fun, change it."IMHO
My $0.02
Food for (hold) thoughts
And a bunch of other lost-in-translation ways of saying it... :-)