How does Desperate Swing work?


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Desperate Swing wrote:
Benefit: Once per day, you can make a single melee attack while taking the total defense action. You take a –4 penalty on attack rolls when making this attack. You also gain a +4 bonus on critical confirmation rolls made while fighting defensively or making an attack of opportunity using this feat.

It says I gain a +4 bonus on making an attack of opportunity when using this feat, but I can't make attacks of opportunity while taking the total defense action.


As stated in the description, this feat is letting you take one attack per day while using Total Defense.


Right but that isn't an Attack of Opportunity, and Total Defense says this:

Total Defense wrote:
You can defend yourself as a standard action. You get a +4 dodge bonus to your AC for 1 round. Your AC improves at the start of this action. You can't combine total defense with fighting defensively or with the benefit of the Combat Expertise feat. You can't make attacks of opportunity while using total defense.


Specific rule trumps general rule.


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Yes. The feat allows you to do it once per day.

But, the way I am reading it, the +4 for criticals is in the "also" clause, meaning that it is in addition to the once-per-day-in-total-defense.

In other words, the +4 thing applies to any attacks during Fighting Defensively or AoOs. Otherwise it would not make sense since you cannot fight defensively during Total Defense.


There is no specific rule saying you can make AoOs while using Total Defense though? And there is a specific rule saying you can't make AoOs while using Total Defense.

So Brf, you're saying that I gain a +4 to hit on all AoOs when I take this feat? Because that seems rather excessive.


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Lile Brf said:

The once per day attack is not an attack of opportunity. When you use the total defense action, the feat lets you make an attack during your turn, when you normally can't, at -4 penalty.

All day, when you fight defensively or make an attack of opportunity (not while in total defense), you get a +4 bonus to confirmation rolls.


Wow.


Ssyvan wrote:

There is no specific rule saying you can make AoOs while using Total Defense though? And there is a specific rule saying you can't make AoOs while using Total Defense.

So Brf, you're saying that I gain a +4 to hit on all AoOs when I take this feat? Because that seems rather excessive.

No specific rule says you can make attack of opportunity while total defense unless the feat specifically says so, like with Crane Riposte.

Total defense normally says you can't make attacks of opportunity. Specific feats can get around that limitation. See Crane Riposte.

Brf is saying you'd get +4 bonus to CONFIRMATION rolls when fighting defensively or AoOs, which are for confirming critical hits AFTER you've rolled a threat on a d20.


Protoman wrote:
Ssyvan wrote:

There is no specific rule saying you can make AoOs while using Total Defense though? And there is a specific rule saying you can't make AoOs while using Total Defense.

So Brf, you're saying that I gain a +4 to hit on all AoOs when I take this feat? Because that seems rather excessive.

No specific rule says you can make attack of opportunity while total defense unless the feat specifically says so, like with Crane Riposte.

Total defense normally says you can't make attacks of opportunity. Specific feats can get around that limitation. See Crane Riposte.

Brf is saying you'd get +4 bonus to CONFIRMATION rolls when fighting defensively or AoOs, which are for confirming critical hits AFTER you've rolled a threat on a d20.

Yeah, that makes sense now! Thanks for the help. I was getting tied up on the "using this feat" language.


How Does desperate swing works?
Not very well IMOP.

There is several cool halfling feats but DS is not one of them.
Even if the using this feat meens on all AOOs when figthing defensively.

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