Flight and Rage Cycling

[kestral287]

A thought occurred to me while posting in another thread, and I'm curious about it now.

It's possible for a Barbarian to gain a Flight speed while raging-- the Greater Elemental Blood (Air) power. What happens if he cycles his rage while flying under this power?

He'd lose his flight speed, then regain it virtually instantly. Is that length of time enough to force a check to avoid falling? If so, does he make the check while out of rage, or can he re-enter the rage before making the check (or re-enter it to allow a second check, as he'd auto-fail any made out of a rage)?

[Daniel Turner Zen Archer]

Keep in mind that the Barbarian can't enter a rage while fatigued as called out by its Rage class feature, so unless your barbarian is immune to being fatigued he/she would be unable to 'rage cycle'. He/she would be fatigued for 2 rounds per round of rage they'd spent raging, so a minimum of 2 round would need to elapse before one could re-rage to start flying again. Ergo, a flight check would need to be attempted.

[Chess Pwn]

Daniel Turner Zen Archer wrote:

Keep in mind that the Barbarian can't enter a rage while fatigued as called out by its Rage class feature, so unless your barbarian is immune to being fatigued he/she would be unable to 'rage cycle'. He/she would be fatigued for 2 rounds per round of rage they'd spent raging, so a minimum of 2 round would need to elapse before one could re-rage to start flying again. Ergo, a flight check would need to be attempted.

The entire point of rage cycling is that you are immune to fatigue. So if anyone talks about rage cycling then you don't have to be concerned about fatigue being a problem.

[Daniel Turner Zen Archer]

Chess Pwn wrote:

Daniel Turner Zen Archer wrote:

Keep in mind that the Barbarian can't enter a rage while fatigued as called out by its Rage class feature, so unless your barbarian is immune to being fatigued he/she would be unable to 'rage cycle'. He/she would be fatigued for 2 rounds per round of rage they'd spent raging, so a minimum of 2 round would need to elapse before one could re-rage to start flying again. Ergo, a flight check would need to be attempted.

The entire point of rage cycling is that you are immune to fatigue. So if anyone talks about rage cycling then you don't have to be concerned about fatigue being a problem.

...Hence the live fire.

Of course I digress before someone tries to poke me with another altogether invalid point. Issue back on track, you would need to make a flight check the moment you ended your rage, since free actions and 'not-an-action' have some weird (?) moments. Since you would be limited only to the number of free actions a round that your GM allows you to have, so long as you haven't pissed off your GM you should be fine with simply re-entering your rage the moment one rage ends. I personally would just let you off without requiring a flight check since you're just re-entering rage the instant it ends anyway, but certain game types (PFS) state you would still need to make the fly check the moment you ended your rage.

As with most of my posts, I attempt to state the normal rules for how something works then how that situation works or doesn't work with a different set of variable depending on certain instances. Such as needing a way to become immune to fatigue first. I would assume that of course, but I prefer to state such in case anyone reads this who doesn't know what 'rage-cycling' is. Whether or not that is necessary is debatable and entirely of no concern to me so long as I'm thorough, or as thorough as my information/experience is at the moment.

Also, if you're posting in someone's post when they ask a question, it's usually a good idea to answer their question instead of completely ignoring the question to debate someone's point

Of course I digress again, so that this topic doesn't become a potential flame post, which was never my intent nor my purpose in attempting to answer the OP's question.

[kestral287]

Daniel Turner Zen Archer wrote:

As with most of my posts, I attempt to state the normal rules for how something works then how that situation works or doesn't work with a different set of variable depending on certain instances. Such as needing a way to become immune to fatigue first. I would assume that of course, but I prefer to state such in case anyone reads this who doesn't know what 'rage-cycling' is. Whether or not that is necessary is debatable and entirely of no concern to me so long as I'm thorough, or as thorough as my information/experience is at the moment.

Also, if you're posting in someone's post when they ask a question, it's usually a good idea to answer their question instead of completely ignoring the question to debate someone's point.

While I thank you for the response you gave in the second post, to be entirely fair: in your first post you did not answer the question. Given that the question asked what happens when a Barbarian "cycles his rage", it would, I think, be fairly obvious that this Barbarian is capable of rage cycling. This means your initial post was ignoring the question-- not answering the scenario posited, but rather a similar scenario with a much more obvious result.

Just food for thought. Consider your own responses and how they fit within your words before attacking somebody else for their response.

[Byakko]

Daniel, what are you getting worked up about? The topic is about Rage Cycling, and as you seemed unfamiliar with the term, someone was kind enough to explain it. Nothing to get upset about.

As for the actual question, this might sound odd, but I'd actually take into consideration the party make-up and overall level. If the barbarian is doing this trick at lowish level where other people aren't flying, I'd probably have them make a Fly check (or drop some elevation, similar to being hit). On the other hand, if everyone is high level and generally flying whenever they want anyway, I'd probably just hand wave it.

[DualJay]

Personally, I'd probably say you couldn't do it mid-move, but at the end/beginning of your turn or move action, I imagine it'd be fine. Or at least not worth worrying about.

[kestral287]

DualJay wrote:

Personally, I'd probably say you couldn't do it mid-move, but at the end/beginning of your turn or move action, I imagine it'd be fine. Or at least not worth worrying about.

I can't imagine why you would want to cycle rage mid-move, but that is a valid point.

Byakko wrote:

Daniel, what are you getting worked up about? The topic is about Rage Cycling, and as you seemed unfamiliar with the term, someone was kind enough to explain it. Nothing to get upset about.

As for the actual question, this might sound odd, but I'd actually take into consideration the party make-up and overall level. If the barbarian is doing this trick at lowish level where other people aren't flying, I'd probably have them make a Fly check (or drop some elevation, similar to being hit). On the other hand, if everyone is high level and generally flying whenever they want anyway, I'd probably just hand wave it.

Interesting. That makes sense. Given that this option isn't available until 10th, and probably further back due to the abundance of powers that kick in around that time, I'd figure that most everybody is capable of flying, but you do raise a good point.

[DualJay]

kestral287 wrote:

I can't imagine why you would want to cycle rage mid-move, but that is a valid point.

I dunno. Got hit by a readied spell and blocked it with eater of magic or something, maybe?