Primary Natural Power Attack?

[Lord Lupus the Grey]

If I will wild shape to the form of bear (bite and claws), all these attacks are considered primary (for attack rolls - absolutely).

What about power attack bonus? Is it 1 and 1/2, or not?

[Kalindlara]

I believe it's only -1/+3 if it's your only natural attack - the same conditions under which a natural weapon gets 1.5 Str modifier. The human zombie and its single slam are a good example.

For the bear, it's -1/+2 all around.

Hope this helps. :)

[Krodjin]

If you have another way of getting 1.5x STR mod to damage, I'd presume you'd qualify for the 3:1 Power Attack ratio.

But otherwise, Kalindlara is right - if it's your only natural attack (and the only attack you make that round), is the usual way that a Primary natural attack gets the 1.5x STR & 3:1 power attack.

[thaX]

The bite is considered secondary in all the monster stats when making a full round attack (Claw/Claw/Bite) If it is your only attack, then it becomes your primary.

Hero Lab always lists the Bite as Secondary, so you will have to add 5 to the to hit when using it as a primary.

[wraithstrike]

thaX wrote:

The bite is considered secondary in all the monster stats when making a full round attack (Claw/Claw/Bite) If it is your only attack, then it becomes your primary.

Hero Lab always lists the Bite as Secondary, so you will have to add 5 to the to hit when using it as a primary.

Bites are primary attacks. Unlike in 3.5 a monster can have all primary attacks. A primary attack only goes to being a secondary attack when you attack with manufactured weapons in the same round. Other than that its designation does not change.

[Scott Wilhelm]

thaX wrote:

The bite is considered secondary in all the monster stats when making a full round attack (Claw/Claw/Bite) If it is your only attack, then it becomes your primary.

Hero Lab always lists the Bite as Secondary, so you will have to add 5 to the to hit when using it as a primary.

My guess is that Hero Lab is making an assumption that you will be combining your bite attack with manufactured weapon attacks.

I don't care for Hero Lab. Just enter your character on an Excel Spreadsheet.

[thaX]

Manufactured weapons may be the culprit.. thank you!

[minoritarian]

thaX wrote:

Hero Lab always lists the Bite as Secondary, so you will have to add 5 to the to hit when using it as a primary.

What? No it doesn't.

[Seranov]

thaX wrote:

The bite is considered secondary in all the monster stats when making a full round attack (Claw/Claw/Bite) If it is your only attack, then it becomes your primary.

Hero Lab always lists the Bite as Secondary, so you will have to add 5 to the to hit when using it as a primary.

Hero Lab is not an official rules source, and it often gets things wrong.

You can do Bite/Claw/Claw/Claw/Claw/Claw/Claw all at full BAB, assuming you have the proper limbs for it (such as a level 20 Eidolon with a bunch of Arms and Claws evolutions) and they're all primary attacks.