Sap Adept Feat from Ultimate Combat


Rules Questions


Quoting:

"Whenever you use a bludgeoning weapon to deal nonlethal sneak attack damage, you gain a bonus on your damage roll equal to twice the number of sneak attack damage dice you rolled."

For instance, a 9th level Rogue gets 5d6 sneak attack damage. Does this mean the Rogue's player would roll 10d6 for the nonlethal damage?

Silver Crusade Contributor

DungeonmasterCal wrote:

Quoting:

"Whenever you use a bludgeoning weapon to deal nonlethal sneak attack damage, you gain a bonus on your damage roll equal to twice the number of sneak attack damage dice you rolled."

For instance, a 9th level Rogue gets 5d6 sneak attack damage. Does this mean the Rogue's player would roll 10d6 for the nonlethal damage?

I believe in that circumstance, the rogue would get a +10 on her damage roll. See the bolded portion of the quote.

Does that make sense? :)


Your answer is the way I ran it in a Skype game last night because that's what I thought it meant, but I wanted to make sure. Thanks!

Silver Crusade Contributor

No problem. :)


just be careful because sap master does double the dice rolled before you do the bonus damage for sap adept.

Silver Crusade Contributor

Chess Pwn wrote:
just be careful because sap master does double the dice rolled before you do the bonus damage for sap adept.

I'm confused. Can you explain a little more thoroughly, please? :)


So sap master says
Whenever you use a bludgeoning weapon to deal nonlethal sneak attack damage to a flat-footed opponent, roll your sneak attack dice twice, totaling the results as your nonlethal sneak attack damage for that attack.

So in the example 5d6 does indeed become 10d6 sneak attack and then sap adept adds 2 per die rolled so it'd add 20 to the damage, since you now rolled 10 sneak attack dice.


Sap master lets you roll your sneak attack dice twice when you use a nonlethal bludgeoning weapon. It's not entirely clear whether this would also let you double the bonus that Sap Adept gives you. I personally am inclined to say yes, but that's mostly because I want to throw the rogues a frikkin' bone here.

Silver Crusade Contributor

Chess Pwn wrote:

So sap master says

Whenever you use a bludgeoning weapon to deal nonlethal sneak attack damage to a flat-footed opponent, roll your sneak attack dice twice, totaling the results as your nonlethal sneak attack damage for that attack.

So in the example 5d6 does indeed become 10d6 sneak attack and then sap adept adds 2 per die rolled so it'd add 20 to the damage, since you now rolled 10 sneak attack dice.

I'm with the Paladin here. I'm not sure the case for doubling Sap Adept is 100% open-and-shut.

Thank you for your response, though. :)

Lantern Lodge

Sap master doesn't give you more sneak attack dice, it lets you roll the same dice twice. So, only +2 per base dice, then roll the base dice again.

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