Half elf favored class(es): can you pick the same class twice?


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Grand Lodge

Somebody brought this up at the table last night, and the GM said he'd allow it for this session, even though he thought it was wrong.

He didn't want to take time away from playing for a minor bonus.

Can you do this? As a half elf, can you choose your "two favored classes" as the same class, twice?


I would say no, but I do not know of any ruling or specific rule that says you cannot. Also, depending on the favored class bonus, I would say it's more than a "minor bonus". Say if a half-elf selects the Human FCB for brawler that's a +2 bonus per level to resisting any two maneuvers of their choice. Or, the elven magus FCB, that's a new arcana every three levels instead of six.

Those are more than just minor bonuses. That's the equivalent of a feat in most instances.

Grand Lodge

No. not anymore than you can multi-class into the same class twice.

Or if you want, you can, but you still only get one benefit per level.


You can choose the same class twice, but since bonuses of the same type don't stack, your favored class bonus would still be +1 per level, choosing either hitpoints/skill or other, as applicable.

Personally, I would choose two different classes if multiclassed, or if single classing, look for alternate racial traits to trade this in for.


LazarX wrote:


Or if you want, you can, but you still only get one benefit per level.

And that's the fundamental difference. Having 2 favored classes means you get to take one benefit per level even if you are multiclassing between two classes. Trying to take the same class as a preferred class twice means you're probably trying to get two benefits per level. And that's pretty clearly not the intent.


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Yes, but it serves no benefit. If you go to a restaurant and they give you "one entree with your choice of 2 sides", there's nothing to say that you can't take the same side twice. But in Pathfinder, it says, "when you gain a level in your favored class, you get the favored class bonus". Having Fighter as both of your favored classes satisfies that condition no more than having it only as one favored class. So whether or not the H-Elf in question has Fighter and Fighter as his favored classes, he has gained a level in either one of his favored classes and, thus, gains his choice of +1 Hp or +1 Skill Point (or racial favored bonus)... period, full-stop, end of story.

Grand Lodge

Right.

If this were legal, most half elves would choose it in one class. Even if you took the "basic" bonus of an extra skill and an extra HP per level, I think that's pretty significant.


Krunchyfrogg wrote:

Right.

If this were legal, most half elves would choose it in one class. Even if you took the "basic" bonus of an extra skill and an extra HP per level, I think that's pretty significant.

Exactly, because there is even a feat for humans only that allows a human to get both HP and Skill Points as their FCB.

Grand Lodge

If it is legal, Half Elf just became even better for summoner. They would get 1 Evo point every even level....

Yeah, I am 99.9% sure it is not legal...


The question was whether or not the half elf could take the same favored class twice.

The answer is yes.

But there is no benefit to doing so.

Grand Lodge

Regardless of how many favored classes you have, you still only get one favored class bonus at each level.

So a half-elf taking a favored class twice is negating the usefulness of his racial trait.

Grand Lodge

TriOmegaZero wrote:

Regardless of how many favored classes you have, you still only get one favored class bonus at each level.

So a half-elf taking a favored class twice is negating the usefulness of his racial trait.

Devil's advocate would say you're gimping your half elf if you make him a single-classed character, since you're not taking advantage of this bonus.

Grand Lodge

Devil's advocate would be wrong, as the strongest characters are single-classed.


Krunchyfrogg wrote:
TriOmegaZero wrote:

Regardless of how many favored classes you have, you still only get one favored class bonus at each level.

So a half-elf taking a favored class twice is negating the usefulness of his racial trait.

Devil's advocate would say you're gimping your half elf if you make him a single-classed character, since you're not taking advantage of this bonus.

I'm inclined to agree. Can you trade this trait for something else? I'm a fan of NOT multiclassing, even though you can build super crazy power characters by doing so.

I can honestly say I have never played a multiclass character. Unless you count monsters with class levels, then I do it all the time.

mmmmm Erinyes Devil Fighters.... tasty.


Krunchyfrogg wrote:
TriOmegaZero wrote:

Regardless of how many favored classes you have, you still only get one favored class bonus at each level.

So a half-elf taking a favored class twice is negating the usefulness of his racial trait.

Devil's advocate would say you're gimping your half elf if you make him a single-classed character, since you're not taking advantage of this bonus.

Not so much gimping if you make him single-classed; more a case of a H-Elf can gimp himself a little less than other races when he multi-classes.

Grand Lodge

alexd1976 wrote:
I'm inclined to agree. Can you trade this trait for something else? I'm a fan of NOT multiclassing, even though you can build super crazy power characters by doing so.

Not by itself, but if you are willing to give up your bonus Skill Focus there are a couple options in the Advanced Race Guide.


TriOmegaZero wrote:
Devil's advocate would be wrong, as the strongest characters are single-classed.

Too many variables for this to always be true. If a campaign isn't going to 20th level, capstones won't matter, for instances. Certain combinations may be better for a particular campaign than a single class going without the benefits of a second class.

Grand Lodge

alexd1976 wrote:
Krunchyfrogg wrote:
TriOmegaZero wrote:

Regardless of how many favored classes you have, you still only get one favored class bonus at each level.

So a half-elf taking a favored class twice is negating the usefulness of his racial trait.

Devil's advocate would say you're gimping your half elf if you make him a single-classed character, since you're not taking advantage of this bonus.

I'm inclined to agree. Can you trade this trait for something else? I'm a fan of NOT multiclassing, even though you can build super crazy power characters by doing so.

I can honestly say I have never played a multiclass character. Unless you count monsters with class levels, then I do it all the time.

mmmmm Erinyes Devil Fighters.... tasty.

You can trade it for something else, but what you can trade it for, isn't worth writing home about. In fact, I still don't know how it's supposed to work.

Arcane Training Half-elves occasionally seek tutoring to help them master the magic in their blood. Half-elves with this racial trait have only one favored class, and it must be an arcane spellcasting class. They can use spell trigger and spell completion items for their favored class as if one level higher (or as a 1st-level character if they have no levels in that class). This racial trait replaces the multitalented racial trait.

Grand Lodge

Bill Dunn wrote:
TriOmegaZero wrote:
Devil's advocate would be wrong, as the strongest characters are single-classed.
Too many variables for this to always be true.

Consider that statement under the constraint "you're gimping your half elf if you make him a single-classed character" which is likely to lead to foolish 'must multi-class my character' ideas regardless of cost analysis.

Grand Lodge

could he not choose the same class twice and choose a different benefit each time he leveled up? Say he takes a skill point each odd level, and an extra hp each even level...two FCB's.....I'm just spitballing here....

Grand Lodge

grimdog73 wrote:

could he not choose the same class twice and choose a different benefit each time he leveled up? Say he takes a skill point each odd level, and an extra hp each even level...two FCB's.....I'm just spitballing here....

I was under the impression you could do this anyway.

Grand Lodge

grimdog73 wrote:

could he not choose the same class twice and choose a different benefit each time he leveled up? Say he takes a skill point each odd level, and an extra hp each even level...two FCB's.....I'm just spitballing here....

Yes you can, absolutely. And so can the poor schmuck who only gets one favored class. :)


Yeah, you choose what single bonus thing you get every time you level.


How do you think this will work with Varient Multiclassing?

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