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Benefit: You are considered to be flanking an opponent if at least two of your allies are threatening that opponent, regardless of your actual positioning.
Normal: You must be positioned opposite an ally to flank an opponent.
Don't you normally count as your own ally? Gang up says that if at least two of your allies are threatening the same opponent you are considered to be flanking. Doesn't that mean that if you and one other ally threaten the same target then you flank?
Ally: Do you count as your own ally?You count as your own ally unless otherwise stated or if doing so would make no sense or be impossible. Thus, "your allies" almost always means the same as "you and your allies."
I think it's pretty obvious that the RAI was that you and two OTHER allies had to gang up on a monster, and normally I'd argue AGAINST that heavy an RAW reading, but honestly I am SO okay with the "you need two allies and you are your own ally, so you just need someone else" reading because ANYTHING that makes it easier to Rogues to Sneak Attack is welcome in my book.
Anyway, is there any way we can get an amen on this?
All teamwork feats would be ridiculous if that was the case.Common sense should prevail. Affecting an ally with a spell? Yes you count. Counting yourself as two people for something called "teamwork?" No. Just no.
The feat was made so a rogue could sneak attack and not join the "Congo line" or three people could form a "Y" around a target and all count. RAI should prevail for a "teamwork" feat.
Gang Up isn't a Teamwork Feat, though. Unless you just mean it in a general sense (naming conventions are awesome...).
The thing is, this isn't an RAW that stops the feat from working - in fact it makes the feat BETTER.
And the group of characters it makes it better for - i.e. Martials and ESPECIALLY Rogues and other Sneak Attackers - already need any love they can get.
This is the kind of oversight I'm inclined to support an RAW reading on if only because it's not hurting anyone, and it makes one of the more-underpowered classes just a little better without breaking the game.
It's my understanding there's a book coming out to help the rogue class. This is just silly.
Apologies for not double checking the teamwork feat, but my point about that remains the same on how this is just as silly when taken out of context.
Pathfinder Unchained clarifies that for the purposes of Gang Up, you are not your own ally as it is the effect of spending Stamina with Gang Up.
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Pathfinder Unchained clarifies that for the purposes of Gang Up, you are not your own ally as it is the effect of spending Stamina with Gang Up.It's my understanding there's a book coming out to help the rogue class. This is just silly.
Apologies for not double checking the teamwork feat, but my point about that remains the same on how this is just as silly when taken out of context.
Absolutely agreed here.
I will say that my original readings of Gang Up made me think it was a total of two people, as I knew the FAQ before I actually paid attention to the feat.