Swashbuckling vs Swashbuckler


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I was playing solo on Rum Punch with Lirianne Jirelle.

I encountered Nefti Unwesha with 4 Allies in my Ally Pile.

Lirianne Jirelle has Charisma of D8 and with my four allies I have D8+4 to beat Nefti's Charisma/Diplomacy 13 check. I had a blessing so my final odds were 2D8+4.

Long story short I rolled well and defeated her, but I was nervous and was looking for any other way I could have bettered my odds. (one Ally was the Parrot so I was ready to re-roll everything if necessary)

I notice that Lirianne Jirelle is a Swashbuckler. Since I was using her base Charisma as a check, does that make my Charisma Swashbuckling? If so I could have used Lirianne's Jirelle's re-roll 1 die ability.

I didn't need to, but I did wonder if any of the Character's traits give bonus to their base attributes.


I think you meant you are Jirelle. Lirianne is the gunslinger.
Jirelle does not get Swashbuckling on her charisma checks unless you use a power that gives it (some items would do it, e.g. Old Salt's Bandana, and she has a power feat on one of her role cards that would let her reveal a Swashbuckling card to add the Swashbuckling trait to any check).


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You are thinking of Jirelle, right? Jirelle is the swashbuckler; Lirianne is the gunslinger.

No, Swashbuckler and Swashbuckling are different. The former is the characters class, the latter is a trait you can add to checks. Your base attributes don't matter to checks, and generally don't matter at all. (The exception being some of the promo cards the come with minis care about your class).

To get your reroll one die ability, you'd need to give the Swashbuckling trait to your check. The most common ways to do this are items like the Eye Patch and Old Salt's Bandana, and exploring with allies that add the Swashbuckling trait to combat/noncombat checks during the exploration. Of course, the weapons you want to use during Combat checks will give them the Swashbuckling Trait.

Also have a look at the Pirate Queen side of the role card; there's an ability there that will let you give the Swashbuckling Trait to a check just by revealing a card with the Swashbuckling trait from your hand.


Sorry. Yes, Jirelle. S&S is new and I'm dealing with new Character overload...

Thanks for the responses. I figured it was the case but I wanted to see what other people thought.

I've found she's very handy with a rapier and cutlass despite the fact that they are basic. With the finesse and swashbuckler traits on the card She uses D10+2 as the base attack along with a D6 or 2D4 depending on the weapon. Then an additional dice if you discard it. Plus a re-roll. That is a min 3/max 18 with a re-roll just for revealing a Cutlass or a min 4/max 20 with a re-roll just for revealing a Rapier.


Just remember the rulebook: "Cards don't do what they don't say". There's nothing in the rules or cards that say that Swashbuckler is equivalent to Swashbuckling. In fact, just encountering a card with Swashbuckling is also not enough to have the check be Swashbuckling either. You have to play a card that adds the trait, either explicitly (Eye Patch, Pirate Queen ability) or implicitly (Boons that say "use your X skill" automatically add all their traits to the check).

The whole "check's traits versus the card's traits" can be a little confusing at first, but it makes sense.

FWB: actually, some of the cards in the sets _do_ care about your character's traits, not just the promos; the easiest examples are Giles Halmis in Tempest Rising and Jaagrath Kreeg in The Hook Mountain Massacre. I know you said "class", but technically in the PACG there's no such thing; your race, class and gender are all considered traits in the game.

Spoiler:
Both increase the difficulty of checks if your character has the Human trait.


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zeroth_hour wrote:


FWB: actually, some of the cards in the sets _do_ care about your character's traits, not just the promos; the easiest examples are Giles Halmis in Tempest Rising and Jaagrath Kreeg in The Hook Mountain Massacre. I know you said "class", but technically in the PACG there's no such thing; your race, class and gender are all considered traits in the game.

** spoiler omitted **

Good point; I'd forgotten about those. I should have said "An exception" instead of "The exception". But those traits certainly don't add themselves to checks; other cards specifically check for them.

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