Can Ioun Stones be upgraded in PFS?


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Sovereign Court 5/5 RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32, 2010 Top 8

I was reading the implanting rules for my Lissallan Slayer, and was wondering if PFS allows upgrading of Ioun Stones, like how we can upgrade weapons and armor. Sure it would get expensive quick...

Scarab Sages 2/5

Ioun stones have a unique quirk. Only two sets of stones that give out enhancement bonuses to ability scores are actually stackable.

Crimson Sphere Ioun Stone
Onyx Rhomboid Ioun Stone

The reason they are stackable is the same reason they are so expensive. That is why the Scarlet and Blue Sphere Ioun Stone only costs a third of the price, even though it gives the same attribute as the Crimson Sphere Ioun Stone as above.

That said the only stackable Ability Score you can get are INT and CON. STR, DEX, WIS, and CHA all cap at +2 via Ioun Stones.

Liberty's Edge 4/5 *

What sort of "upgrade" for Ioun stones are you thinking of? I am not aware of any that have even an implied upgrade path, much less an explicit one.

Sczarni 5/5 5/55/5 ***

I imagine he means Flawed => Cracked => Normal

These are not upgradeable in PFS.

Grand Lodge

Your upgrade path is sell them at half price to help pay for the new one.

5/5

There is some brief language about stones with higher bonuses. It's not legal for PFS.

Sovereign Court 5/5 RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32, 2010 Top 8

Thank you for reading my mind Majuba. Sorry I wasn't clearer. :-(

Shadow Lodge

To be clearer, the ioun stones with higher bonuses are referred to as "Advanced Ioun Stones", as per Seekers of Secrets, page 43. The reason Majuba is correct in saying that they aren't PFS legal:

Additional Resources wrote:

Pathfinder Campaign Setting: Seekers of Secrets

...
Advanced ioun stones are not legal for play.

Sovereign Court 5/5 RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32, 2010 Top 8

James Wygle wrote:

To be clearer, the ioun stones with higher bonuses are referred to as "Advanced Ioun Stones", as per Seekers of Secrets, page 43. The reason Majuba is correct in saying that they aren't PFS legal:

Additional Resources wrote:

Pathfinder Campaign Setting: Seekers of Secrets

...
Advanced ioun stones are not legal for play.

Thank you James,

Might be a good item on a chronicle sheet :-)

Shadow Lodge

Matthew Morris wrote:

Might be a good item on a chronicle sheet :-)

Agreed.

4/5

the only improvement I know of that's legal in PFS is something like a (heightened) Continual Flame cast on the ioun stone. It is specifically allowed for a Dull Gray Ioun Stone so it is not a far leap of logic. It is not an upgrade per se.

(as above) for Flawed => Cracked => Normal, you sell at half and buy the new one at full.
It's probably more effective to loan your "old" one out to another party member for the scenario than to sell it.

Shadow Lodge

Stephen Ross wrote:
It is specifically allowed for a Dull Gray Ioun Stone so it is not a far leap of logic.

It's not so much "specifically allowed" as it is that there's a published magic item (ioun torch) that's literally just a dull grey ioun stone with continual flame already cast on it...

Continual flame can be cast on any object, though, so this isn't really anything special for ioun stones...

Grand Lodge 2/5

James Wygle wrote:
Stephen Ross wrote:
It is specifically allowed for a Dull Gray Ioun Stone so it is not a far leap of logic.

It's not so much "specifically allowed" as it is that there's a published magic item (ioun torch) that's literally just a dull grey ioun stone with continual flame already cast on it...

Continual flame can be cast on any object, though, so this isn't really anything special for ioun stones...

Except that it is explicitly slotless and is in a place that can grant light unhindered (floating around your head).

Grand Lodge 4/5

claudekennilol wrote:
James Wygle wrote:
Stephen Ross wrote:
It is specifically allowed for a Dull Gray Ioun Stone so it is not a far leap of logic.

It's not so much "specifically allowed" as it is that there's a published magic item (ioun torch) that's literally just a dull grey ioun stone with continual flame already cast on it...

Continual flame can be cast on any object, though, so this isn't really anything special for ioun stones...

Except that it is explicitly slotless and is in a place that can grant light unhindered (floating around your head).

And, like the Ioun torch, is great for several classes/builds which need normal light, but also need both hands for other purposes, whether for weapons and shields, or casting spells...

Scarab Sages 5/5 **** Venture-Captain, Oregon—Portland

Keep in mind that Ioun torches are not on the "always available" list, and thus you still need to have the proper amount of fame to buy one.

Grand Lodge 4/5

Matthew Owens wrote:
Keep in mind that Ioun torches are not on the "always available" list, and thus you still need to have the proper amount of fame to buy one.

Or spend one PP (overspend?) to get one after your first chronicle.

Grand Lodge 5/5 *

kinevon wrote:
Matthew Owens wrote:
Keep in mind that Ioun torches are not on the "always available" list, and thus you still need to have the proper amount of fame to buy one.
Or spend one PP (overspend?) to get one after your first chronicle.

Or you know wait until you have 5PP (generally start of level 2), other wise you're wasting 300gp in functional value of PP (or 75 versus a 1 PP purchase, which I wouldn't ever recommend doing either)

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