The "Manipulator" role of Siwar has a unique evasion ability:
If there is another character at your location, you may evade a bane; a random other character at your location encounters it instead.
What happens when the bane in question is a henchman in regards to requirements to close a location? Should Siwar fulfill those requirements because it is her turn, or should the character who defeated the henchman do it?
For expediency's sake, we opted for the latter in our game tonight, but we were wondering if that was correct.
You were correct. The character who defeats the henchman gets the opportunity to close the location.
Should be moved to the rules forum since it's an important reminder.
You were correct. The character who defeats the henchman gets the opportunity to close the location.
I was going to argue against this as Siwar is the one who activated this chain to close the location. But the specific wording of Siwar's ability made it more clear.
Namely that the other character "encounters the bane instead". It transfers the ownership of the chain to the other instead of her.
If it stated something like "performs checks against the bane" then Siwar would get to make the check.
Does this also mean that any subsequent boons acquired would be given to the other?
For instance:
Siwar encounters a ranger stash barrier
She transfers ownership of the encounter to Ezren
Ezren defeats the barrier.
Ezren acquires the reward for the barrier
Ezren receives a minor rod of healing
Minor rod of healing has the magic trait
Ezren uses his ability to explore again! ON SIWAR'S TURN! ZOMGWTFBBQ!
You can only explore during the explore step on your turn, so Ezren could not explore in that instance. However, Ezren would indeed acquire the boon to his hand and not Siwar in that instance.
But Ezren wouldn't 'acquire' the staff of minor healing, he'd 'add it to his hand' and not get an extra explore anyway :3 (if Ranger Stashes could even give Staves of Minor healing in the first place!)
But I think the point is fair. If Siwar handed off an Ambush, the character who beat it wouldn't get another explore.
But I think the point is fair. If Siwar handed off an Ambush, the character who beat it wouldn't get another explore.
Right, but if the other character defeated it, they would have to examine the location deck until they found a monster and encounter it. Since that isn't exploring, it is perfectly valid for it to happen on someone else's turn.
And in fact, it already could. Swallowtail Festival from RotR creates pretty much the same situation when someone tries to temporarily close it during an encounter with a villain. It was already possible for a character attempting to temporarily close the Swallowtail Festival to have the next card be a henchman. Defeating said henchman would temporarily close the location and grant an opportunity to permanently close the location, which would again require encountering the next card. All of which would be happening on someone else's turn.
And in fact, it already could. Swallowtail Festival from RotR creates pretty much the same situation when someone tries to temporarily close it during an encounter with a villain. It was already possible for a character attempting to temporarily close the Swallowtail Festival to have the next card be a henchman. Defeating said henchman would temporarily close the location and grant an opportunity to permanently close the location, which would again require encountering the next card. All of which would be happening on someone else's turn.
Extrapolate this further though!
Siwar gets the henchmen and passes it on to Ezren who defeats it and is granted the opportunity to close permanently. Ezren encounters the next card, a magic item and acquires it.
Does his ability activate and he gets to explore "again"? His ability says nothing about it being his turn to activate. It only says that it must happen during an exploration. It doesn't even say whose exploration. I suppose this rule was inserted to avoid players giving ezren magic cards and having him explore again for each.
But this is all still part of the first player's exploration that brought up the villain, so I suppose it counts?
The same conundrum shows up in S&S. Through the treasure hunting barrier? Or is it added to your hand and not "Acquired"? I've never differentiated between the two before...
Magic is wicked crazy yo.
There are a few things there.
It is only acquire when it says acquire.
So giving a card to Ezren or Ezren defeating the Battered Chest and adding some random cards to his hand aren't situations where Ezren acquires a card. So his power won't trigger there.
But also, Ezren's power says "during your exploration". Encountering isn't exploring. So Ezren's power wouldn't activate for that reason too. That is no different then if Ezren plays Detect Magic and choose to encounter the card with the Magic trait he examines with Detect Magic. He isn't exploring with Detect Magic. So his power to explore again won't activate.
But then, even if those two things didn't exist, the rules say you can only explore on your turn.
Aside for rules reference purposes: the Confusion Spell also redirects encounters, and thus the same clarifications apply.
(In one scenario where I had some weird draws and bad rolls, Confusion -> weapon-bearing Cleric was my most successful combat maneuver! :)
It is only acquire when it says acquire.
Then we only ever acquire when we make a check against the boon thereby making the "Check to acquire". Swallowtail festival almost gets him there then besides not being able to explore outside your turn.
But also, Ezren's power says "during your exploration".
I beg to differ
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During *an* exploration
Not necessarily yours.
Although I'm remiss to find many situations where Ezren could acquire a card outside his turn.
Then we only ever acquire when we make a check against the boon thereby making the "Check to acquire". Swallowtail festival almost gets him there then besides not being able to explore outside your turn.
It is only acquire when it says acquire.
Or any time a card actually says you acquire someting.
But also, Ezren's power says "during your exploration".I beg to differ
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During *an* exploration
Not necessarily yours.
Although I'm remiss to find many situations where Ezren could acquire a card outside his turn.
No need to beg. You are right, it say "an". my point was that when Siwar evades and Ezren encounters, that isn't during anyone's exploration. Siwar evading ended the exploration. Then Ezren is encountering something outside the exploration.
And also, since Ezren's power says "explore again" it implies that he was the one that explored the first time. So effectively it is "during your exploration", both because you can't explore outside your own turn and because for him to explore again would have to mean he was the one already exploring.
You can only explore during your own Explore step. No other time.
Can I ever explore outside of my explore step?
No.Resolution: On page 8 of the rulebook, under Explore, change "You may never explore on another player's turn" to "You may never explore outside of your explore step".
So any question concerning Ezren triggering an extra explore outside of his own turn is moot.