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Yes, I want this thread to be a complimation of the best rogue builds. I want a new player to be able to swing by here, and make a rogue that, in 7 levels, he wont be saying "can I swap classes?"
NO I don't give no hoot about your slayer, or bards, or swashbuckler. Anyone that makes a reference to either class shall be smote by the power of the barbarian horde! Thats right!
I WANT YOUR ROGUES. Pure rogues. 3pp, glory rogues, strength rogues, skill rogues, I want to see them all! If you ever wanted a reason to make the rogue class better at fighting, than the fighter by damn here is your chance.
20pt buy standard, feel free to incorporate other point buys in the builds.
no need to get fancy, lets just get the base of the builds
-stats
-traits
-skills
-feats
-mandatory gear
- If you want to post full sheets, go ahead!
Let the games begin!
There is already a thread that does this. I will try to find the link.
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The thread starts off with advice, but the builds start here.
Same. Rogues haven't changed much at all since that thread either. ACG introduced a few trap options and not much else. Rogues are still starving for good Rogue talents.
Grig Jig is pretty cool though.
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Same. Rogues haven't changed much at all since that thread either. ACG introduced a few trap options and not much else. Rogues are still starving for good Rogue talents.
Grig Jig is pretty cool though.
IDK, looking over paizo related stuff I see several I like. while their are a literal metric ton of bad trap rogue talents. their are a lot of good ones. This is one reason why I like to allow 3pp Talents, but that's not always an option.
No dips at all? A single level of Barbarian done right will make a ton of difference...
As far as talents go, between bonus feats and the (resource intensive) possibility of grabbing a prime Ninja trick or two there's plenty to spend them on at least, even if sadly it's on grabbing 'other' stuff.
Str 20 (10 points +2 race +2 levels)
Dex 14 (5 points)
Con 14 (5 points)
Int 12 (2 points)
Wis 8 (-2 points)
Cha 10 (0 points)
Traits & Skills: not finished here yet though it does require 35 specific skill ranks at specific levels
1 Improved Unarmed Strike, Enforcer, Sap Adept
3 Dragon Style, Weapon Focus Unarmed Strike
5 Sap Master, Alertness
7 Deceitful, Iron Will
9 Dazzling Display
11 Shatter Defenses
Sneak Attack +6d6
This is the planned build of a character I made after binge watching too many spy shows. It is a 20 point buy PFS legal build. It doesn't use magic much and does have a lot of skills. It is good at knocking opponents out and can control opponents through fear. It isn't finished but I think it is my best attempt yet at a fun, playable rogue through level 11.
EDIT: The barbarian hordes can bring it, this is a Rogue even if it has dips in Brawler and Slayer and Sleepless Detective and then goes into Master Spy.
The thread starts off with advice, but the builds start here.This is the best build in there IMO.
I dunno man. Seems like you might have a biased opinion.
For a straight-up 'Battle Rogue'...
"Barbarous Shadow"
Thug Scout Rogue X/ Scarred Rager 2
Human: 16/18STR, 12DEX, 14CON, 8INT, 14WIS, 10CHA
Traits: *Optional*
1SR. *Terrifying Visage* ||| *Rage 6r/day* ||| +Weapon Focus ||| (H)+Dazzling Display
2TS. *Frightening* ||| (1d6Sneak)
3TS. +Extra Rage *Rage 12r/day* ||| $Strong Impression
4TS. *Brutal Beating* ||| (2d6Sneak)
5TS. *Scout's Charge* ||| +($)Ki Pool ||| $Shadow Clone
6SR. *Tolerance* ||| *Rage 14r/day* ||| ~Reckless Abandon
7TS. (3d6Sneak) ||| +Power Attack
8TS. $(+)Cornugon Smash ||| (FCB): $(+)Hurtful
9TS. (4d6Sneak) ||| +Shatter Defenses
10TS. *Skirmisher* ||| $Offensive Defense
11TS. (5d6Sneak) ||| Extra Rage *Rage 18r/day*
Primary Equipment: Furious Nodachi, Mithral Breastplate, +Strength Belt, +Wisdom Headband
Scout's Charge, Skirmisher or other sneak attack combines with Cornugon Smash to trigger intimidate, sickened, and Offensive Defense. Intimidated targets trigger an attack from Hurtful, triggering Shatter Defenses.
Scarred Rager Tolerance allows Rage and Reckless Abandon to be used selectively while attacking and then shut down, the 1 round of fatigue ending as the next turn begins.
Ki Pool allows for Shadow Clone (Mirror Image) to be cast once per day per point of wisdom modifier.
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I'd go straight Slayer these days tbh...
The OP also needs to realize that the rogue(not without some multiclassing) is not going to do fighter damage unless he uses the "Sap Build", and even then the damage is nonlethal.
Maybe there are some 3pp options, but I dont have that many 3pp products. Also if the goal was to convince the community of anything adding 3pp will not be a positive. If the goal is to give a player in his group a build then letting us know what he has access to should be done.
PS: I also noticed he has not returned so I guess this experiment is over.
This isn't anything special, but here's an idea this inspired. And it's different!:
The Man Bat aka Getti 'Knowsit' Gelti
Bloodmarked Skinchanger (Werebat-kin): 8STR, 16(18)DEX, 12CON, 16INT, 10WIS, 13CHA
Traits: Precision Hearing & Blade of Mercy
1 GA 1 - Bombs 1d6, Mutagen - F: Aspect of the Beast (Claws)
2 UCTh Rogue 1 - 1d6 SA - Frightening
3 UCTh Rogue 2 - Combat Trick: Weapon Finesse. F: Enforcer. Agile AMoF acquired. Chemical Weapons.
4 GA 2 - Alchemical Weapon, Discovery: Smoke Bomb, Bonus: Precise Bombs
5 UCTh Rogue 3(The rest of the way). SA 2d6; F: Bat Shape. Brutal Beating
6 UCTh Rogue 4 - Precise Splash Weapon (sneak attack on bombs)
Primary Equipment: Agile AMoF (Upgrade to Cruel; Menacing). Hybridization Funnel. Anything else he wants, but probably Shadow pins (Face - Medium +5 to intimidate)
For the first few levels the Manbat is suboptimal, however he can rely on his bombs and str mutagen w/ his three natural attacks to be effective. He hordes every coin that comes his way, and at third level it comes together w/ agile AMoF & enforcer. With blade of mercy he can deal nonlethal damage w/ slashing attacks (claw claw bite) and deals +1 damage when doing so. He now gets 3 attacks/round - none of them are great but they do ~+7/1d6+7 plus SA plus enforcer - with Thug enforcer can instantly create frightened enemies on every attack. At 5th level he can shapechange into a diminutive bat, no duration 3+1/2 level times a day.
With Precision hearing, on a DC+10 perception check he can pinpoint targets he can't see - with smoke bombs and obcsuring mist SLA, he can give himself total concealment (allies? What?). Notable, the "sound of battle" is a -10 DC. At 6th level he can deal sneak attack with splash weapons, meaning his bombs become almost equivalent to full progression alchemist through total concealment. Or he can shapechange into a +16 stealth bat and drop normal alchemist's fire/tangleburn bags (that he makes in his spare time). He can also hybridization funnel tangleburn/fire/acid and apply them to his natural attacks.
As he levels he will probably take dirty trick sneak attacks and/or sneaky maneuvers. At 12th level something magical happens: Underground Chemist allows him to take alchemist discovers in place of rogue talents, AND count his rogue levels as alchemist levels for the prereqs and EFFECTS of his discoveries. RAW this should mean that he can now take greater mutagen (and his mutagen becomes 2hr/drink), imp. bombs, etc.