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Can I hold a charged spell/SLA and still make natural attacks with the other limb with out dischargin? l used the ability and held the charge away from anyone else. Next turn the only enemy in movent range already had the nasty, nonstakable SLA from another of the same creature. I thought it would be fare for the monster to move and just do a regular attack with the other limb of it's 2 natural attacks so it could save the charge on the other limb for when someone without the nasty effect came close to engage.
Some players questioned if it was.legitimate but did not actually argue. They accepted it at the time. Sadly, we had to end the combat in the middle of the fight so I am hoping to have a confident answer if this was fair or not.
Way I see it, if a druid has a produce flame in one hand and a scimitar in the other, they should be able to choose which they attack with each turn. Same for a magus with shocking grasp or a cleric with an inflict spell on one hand and a mace in the other hand.
At the same time, if t was something like a druid wild shaped into a wolf with only 1 attack and produce flame I would think the bite should discharge the spell(or one round of it for produce flame). Of course that begs the question if it should be able to bite without doing the fire damage?
Thanks!
Produce Flame is not the same as a held charge for a touch spell. It just so happens that you can use the spell effect to make a touch attack, but that's not exactly the same thing.
You can't move the effect of produce flame around once you've cast it. It MUST go in your palm (or the equivalent if you have no palms) because the spell says so (Effect: flame in your palm).
Otherwise, I don't think there's any issue with a character with a held charge in one hand and a different (non-spell) weapon in the other.
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No, you are holding the charge, not your "hand".
Holding the Charge: If you don't discharge the spell in the round when you cast the spell, you can hold the charge indefinitely. You can continue to make touch attacks round after round. If you touch anything or anyone while holding a charge, even unintentionally, the spell discharges. If you cast another spell, the touch spell dissipates. You can touch one friend as a standard action or up to six friends as a full-round action. Alternatively, you may make a normal unarmed attack (or an attack with a natural weapon) while holding a charge. In this case, you aren't considered armed and you provoke attacks of opportunity as normal for the attack. If your unarmed attack or natural weapon attack normally doesn't provoke attacks of opportunity, neither does this attack. If the attack hits, you deal normal damage for your unarmed attack or natural weapon and the spell discharges. If the attack misses, you are still holding the charge.
Notice there's never anything in there that says a specific part of you is holding the charge. If I'm a pouncing large cat that can somehow cheat and cast Frostbite as a lvl 5 spell for free, then charge and pounce. And if I hit with claw, claw, rake, rake, bite, then all five charges go off because I hit with five natural attacks while I was holding the charge. It wasn't one of my paws holding the charge--it was me as a whole.
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No, you are holding the charge, not your "hand".
Holding the Charge: If you don't discharge the spell in the round when you cast the spell, you can hold the charge indefinitely. You can continue to make touch attacks round after round. If you touch anything or anyone while holding a charge, even unintentionally, the spell discharges. If you cast another spell, the touch spell dissipates. You can touch one friend as a standard action or up to six friends as a full-round action. Alternatively, you may make a normal unarmed attack (or an attack with a natural weapon) while holding a charge. In this case, you aren't considered armed and you provoke attacks of opportunity as normal for the attack. If your unarmed attack or natural weapon attack normally doesn't provoke attacks of opportunity, neither does this attack. If the attack hits, you deal normal damage for your unarmed attack or natural weapon and the spell discharges. If the attack misses, you are still holding the charge.Notice there's never anything in there that says a specific part of you is holding the charge. If I'm a pouncing large cat that can somehow cheat and cast Frostbite as a lvl 5 spell for free, then charge and pounce. And if I hit with claw, claw, rake, rake, bite, then all five charges go off because I hit with five natural attacks while I was holding the charge. It wasn't one of my paws holding the charge--it was me as a whole.
So... 9th level druid with Quicken Spell, then? BRB, re-rolling druid.
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I love druids, doing magus tricks before magus was around.
Although druids can get pounce, sometimes you prefer forms that don't have it. One tactic is to cast a touch spell like produce flame or frostbite, move up and touch the target (assumes wild shape plus natural spell) They take a little damage and you are now in position. Next round full attack with every attack getting the spell damage.
I did this with a 4th level druid, eagle shape, weapon finessse, high dex, agile amulet of mighty fists and frostbite. First attack, 1d8 + 5 damage (menhir savant), next was a full round 3x +11 to hit, 1d4+7 + 1d8+5, only about 57 damage on average. Then my pet went...
should note he retrained his 3rd level feat into natural spell at 4th level.
Your pet retrained to natural spell?