Binding / tie up / shackles / manacles / rope rules

[Valiant]

Hey guys, I'm designing a character that is focused around capturing everything alive.

I can't find a solid ruling in the rules section, nor anywhere else:

1. May I use a Mancatcher weapon, ghost touch enchanted to grapple a ghost?

2. May I use Dimensional Shackles (as per the magic item) and use them in a Combat Maneuver to Tie Up a teleporting demon, giving him the 'Helpless' - condition (thus capturing him, since appearantly the buggers can just teleport out of ropes and the like) or can this Tie Up combat maneuver be only done with a rope, giving him the helpless condition, but making it possible for him to just teleport out of them?

[deusvult]

There are no rules for what sort of actions it takes, let alone the difficulties involved, in putting manacles on someone who's resisting.

Since someone asked virtually the same question over two years ago with no response or clarification, I wouldn't expect you'll get one either.

Expect table variation on not only the particulars of how to make it work, but also the effectiveness if it does. For example, even if a player succeeded in slapping cuffs on someone in a combat context, I still wouldn't say that victim is helpless. Possibly just call it entangled for simplicity, or maybe I'd come up with some custom penalties on the spot. Whatever struck my fancy at the time.

[Valiant]

Yeah, thats why I was wondering if we could somehow get an official ruling on this. Would be nice, eh?

[Bruno Breakbone]

1) No. "Incorporeal creatures cannot make trip or grapple attacks, nor can they be tripped or grappled." The only known specific ability that overrides this is the high-level Tetori ability.

2) Expect table variation.

[DubiousYak]

Grapple has some info under 'Tie Up', but does not addres manacles.

[Valiant]

Bruno, thanks! That clarifies a lot.

A Ghost Touch Net (as per the weapon) puts the 'entangle' condition on the Ghost...and then you would be able to drag it/have it captured, right? Since ghosts/incorporeal creatures have no real STR score to burst the net or resist being dragged?

[Kigvan]

Ghost touch can not be applied to ranged weapons though