Butterfly's Sting loop hole? and the combo.


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Deadbeat Doom wrote:
arcanine wrote:
Deadbeat Doom wrote:
NikolaiJuno wrote:
Skylancer you seem to be missing the point, the attack it gets passed on to is always the next applicable attack. If you count as your ally and hit with another attack you must take the crit. There is n o choosing to take the crit. Ruling that this is how this feat works is ruling that it's always how it works, and that brakes the feat.

Actually, Butterfly Sting states that the next ally's attack is automatically confirmed as a critical. When you confirm a critical, you can choose to pass it forwards to the next ally's attack. This means that if you confirm a critical you can pass it to your next attack, which auto confirms and gets passed along to your next attack, which auto confirms and gets passed along to your next attack, which auto confirms and blah blah blah so on and so forth until you accept the critical, miss, or pass it to the next character.

Edit: By the way, this could be really nasty on a mutagenic warrior with a third arm; kukri in one hand, scythe in the other two. ;)

Oh wow I didn't even think of it like that. If you crit you can help the whole party auto hit the boss if they all,have it.
Unfortunately, it doesn't help with hitting at all; you just don't have to deal with crit ranges or confirmation rolls.

Huh I thought the next person to make an attack auto crits.

Liberty's Edge

arcanine wrote:
Deadbeat Doom wrote:
arcanine wrote:
Deadbeat Doom wrote:
NikolaiJuno wrote:
Skylancer you seem to be missing the point, the attack it gets passed on to is always the next applicable attack. If you count as your ally and hit with another attack you must take the crit. There is n o choosing to take the crit. Ruling that this is how this feat works is ruling that it's always how it works, and that brakes the feat.

Actually, Butterfly Sting states that the next ally's attack is automatically confirmed as a critical. When you confirm a critical, you can choose to pass it forwards to the next ally's attack. This means that if you confirm a critical you can pass it to your next attack, which auto confirms and gets passed along to your next attack, which auto confirms and gets passed along to your next attack, which auto confirms and blah blah blah so on and so forth until you accept the critical, miss, or pass it to the next character.

Edit: By the way, this could be really nasty on a mutagenic warrior with a third arm; kukri in one hand, scythe in the other two. ;)

Oh wow I didn't even think of it like that. If you crit you can help the whole party auto hit the boss if they all,have it.
Unfortunately, it doesn't help with hitting at all; you just don't have to deal with crit ranges or confirmation rolls.
Huh I thought the next person to make an attack auto crits.

Only if they hit. They do not auto-hit, but if they hit they auto-crit.


Imbicatus wrote:
Usually it kukri/pick TWF fighting. You must worship Desna, and be within one step of CG.

I have found that there are two different butterfly stings. One is a combat feat and the other is not.

One you have to worship a good god
The other you don't have too.

Liberty's Edge

arcanine wrote:
Imbicatus wrote:
Usually it kukri/pick TWF fighting. You must worship Desna, and be within one step of CG.

I have found that there are two different butterfly stings. One is a combat feat and the other is not.

One you have to worship a good god
The other you don't have too.

Looks like one is from Faiths of Purity (2011), the other from Inner Sea Gods (2014). The former says it's more common amongst worshipers of Desna, the latter requires it. I would probably rule that most recent publishing wins if I was playing the RAW game.

Grand Lodge

Butterfly Sting was reprinted, so at least in PFS you have to use the second one. It's always been a feat associated with Desna, though.


NikolaiJuno wrote:
Skylancer you seem to be missing the point, the attack it gets passed on to is always the next applicable attack. If you count as your ally and hit with another attack you must take the crit. There is n o choosing to take the crit. Ruling that this is how this feat works is ruling that it's always how it works, and that brakes the feat.

Apparently you misunderstood the mechanics of the feat, as pointed out you are incorrect on your belief you have no choice about passing it on to a different ally. You are capable of "rolling" your own crits.


Jeff Merola wrote:
Butterfly Sting was reprinted, so at least in PFS you have to use the second one. It's always been a feat associated with Desna, though.

The first one dosent say anything about desna. Just get your crit and be happy.


arcanine wrote:
Jeff Merola wrote:
Butterfly Sting was reprinted, so at least in PFS you have to use the second one. It's always been a feat associated with Desna, though.
The first one dosent say anything about desna. Just get your crit and be happy.

The feat itself does not specify Desna, but the section it is found in does; and the chapter of the book (Combat: Righteous Warfare, pg. 24 of Faiths of Purity) denotes that the feats found within are far more common (but not exclusive) among the followers of the Deity the feats are associated with.

In other words, if your GM allows the older version of the feat then you're all set.

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