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I would say neither grappled or pinned character can stand up. You need to be in control of the grapple and use the "Move" grapple-action ( http://www.d20pfsrd.com/gamemastering/combat#TOC-Grapple ) to get yourself AND your opponent up.
Reason: It just doesn't make sense otherwise. How can you be grappled by someone, stand up, and still be grappled by the same guy who's still lying on the floor?
Also it states you can't move. Like you said. And standing up sounds a lot like moving to me.
Standing is not movement as you do not change squares.
It is entirely possible IRL to grapple a standing person while prone; ever had someone grab both of your legs from the ground?
When talking about game conditions, real life generally needs to go out the window. We don't ask how a fighter can disarm you, trip you, and hit you 3 times in 6 seconds. We don't ask how a human can jump 50'. We don't ask how a human can bench press a horse. So why should we ask if certain conditions can be removed in a grapple when there are clear rules on how to do so.
As Bob Bob Bob cited:
Grappled: yes you can get up. It is not movement.
Pinned: no you cannot get up. It is not on the list of actions that are allowed while pinned.
Aydin D'Ampfer, "usually" is in reference to attempting to free yourself. The reason it says "usually" is because there may be ability specific ways of freeing yourself besides a grapple or escape artist check.
If it did not state "usually" and only specified a grapple or escape artist check then it would limit the means to getting out to JUST grapple or escape artist checks even if some ability should allow you to get out of being pinned.
So lets look at the question: does standing up remove the pinned condition?
Answer, no.
Being pinned does not result in being prone.
Because being prone has nothing to do with being pinned standing up also has nothing to do with being pinned.
Thus, standing up will not free yourself and since it is not a verbal or mental action it is an ineligible option when you are pinned.
Standing is not movement as you do not change squares.
It is entirely possible IRL to grapple a standing person while prone; ever had someone grab both of your legs from the ground?
When talking about game conditions, real life generally needs to go out the window. We don't ask how a fighter can disarm you, trip you, and hit you 3 times in 6 seconds. We don't ask how a human can jump 50'. We don't ask how a human can bench press a horse. So why should we ask if certain conditions can be removed in a grapple when there are clear rules on how to do so.
I've seen Bruce Lee do this in 6 seconds.
Couple of things:
Remember that there are two things going on here. Prone is a separate condition from grappled or pinned, it's not clear how that condition came about. The cause of the prone condition may affect the reasonableness of any answer or ruling. I'd be very wary before allowing a single action to lift 2 separate conditions. It reads almost (but not quite) like you want to allow someone to pick up an item (move action) and stand up from prone (another move action) as a single move action. Which while may not seem unreasonable in some circumstances, isn't allowed by the rules.
Personally I read the pinned condition as restrictive. The 'usually' refers exclusively to ways to free yourself. It does not refer to ways to remove other un-associated conditions. Standing up is not a way to escape the pin in and of itself. It is a separate and distinct action.
In the case of the player B you say he's holding you in such a way that you need to escape the pin before you can stand up.
If you don't read it as restrictively, then it falls to you as GM to decide what additional actions are reasonable - there isn't a comprehensive list somewhere that you can be pointed to.
He is pinned, its supposed to be "restrictive"
Couple of things:
Remember that there are two things going on here. Prone is a separate condition from grappled or pinned, it's not clear how that condition came about. The cause of the prone condition may affect the reasonableness of any answer or ruling. I'd be very wary before allowing a single action to lift 2 separate conditions. It reads almost (but not quite) like you want to allow someone to pick up an item (move action) and stand up from prone (another move action) as a single move action. Which while may not seem unreasonable in some circumstances, isn't allowed by the rules.Personally I read the pinned condition as restrictive. The 'usually' refers exclusively to ways to free yourself. It does not refer to ways to remove other un-associated conditions. Standing up is not a way to escape the pin in and of itself. It is a separate and distinct action.
In the case of the player B you say he's holding you in such a way that you need to escape the pin before you can stand up.
If you don't read it as restrictively, then it falls to you as GM to decide what additional actions are reasonable - there isn't a comprehensive list somewhere that you can be pointed to.
All fun aside, it goes as far to say the only thing you can do while pinned besides trying to escape is to do purely mental actions. Umm I think a dm who chooses to let a pinned person stand is house ruling it.
Look at it this way. Being pinned allows you to be easily tied up. If someone who is pinned can easily stand up, how are they with such freedom to stand up can be tied up and made helpless?
Dragonhunterq your logic doesn't follow.
Agreed with Bob and Gauss
Dragonhunterq your logic doesn't follow.
Where did my logic fail? near as I can tell we agree. No standing up from prone while grappled.