Sorry, possibly simple question but my Thuerge just stumbled onto a Manuel of Clay golem creation and i'm wondering how on earth i price out a 1000lb block of clay.
Wow. I did not expect this, but Ultimate Equipment actually has a price for clay:
CLAY
Price 1 sp; Weight 1 lb.
This pound of clay is sold in a watertight container to keep it soft, can be hardened by sunlight, baking, or any heat source.
This is splendid. So 1000 lbs of clay would cost 100 gp.
Sweet, thanks man :)
I'll ask this too just cause im quite new at crafting mechanics:
I'm going to build a clay shield golem from the above mentioned book (OK'd by DM). What I'd like to do is have someone craft the amutlet and the body while im off adventuring, and then come enchant it.
Any idea how i break down how much time of the 46ish days (at 1000g/day) would be actually needed to do the enchanting vs how much would be just the buidling of the actual compoents? Also, how much do artisans cost to make stuff?
Here's the relevant entry under the shield guardian:
Construction: A shield guardian's base materials cost an additional 25,000 gp above the base golem's cost. The creature's master may assemble the body or hire someone else to do the job. The Craft check required to make the body is 4 higher than normal for the base golem's kind. The keyed amulet is fashioned at the same time—it costs 20,000 gp above and beyond the shield guardian's total cost. After the body is sculpted, the shield guardian is animated through an extended magical ritual that requires a specially prepared laboratory or workroom, similar to an alchemist's laboratory and costing 500 gp to establish. If the creator is personally constructing the creature's body, the building and the ritual can be performed together. The creator must have a minimum caster level of 2 higher than the base golem's minimum required caster level. In addition, the following spells are added to the base golem's requirements: discern location and either shield or shield other.
The basic golem itself costs almost nothing - 1500g worth of "components" and 100g (apparently) of clay.
Okay, so in terms of cost:
100 gp for the clay
1500 gp for the rare oils and powders
20000 gp for the general stuff needed to create a clay golem
25000 gp for the general stuff needed to create a shield guardian
20000 gp for the general stuff needed to create the amulet
500 gp for animating the golem
If you're making it yourself, the building and the ritual happen at the same time, and the time it takes is based off of the total market price, so about 134 days by my count.
I'm not sure exactly how hiring someone to make it for you would work. Do you know if the person you hire also has to have the Craft Construct feat?
I missed the 20000gp for general stuff needed to create a clay golem, can you reference that part for me?
Everything else looks right.
Another thread mentioned craft: sculpture for the body. So if i provide the hunk of clay i should be able to pay someone to craft it i'd think. Same with amulet i would expect except replace sculpture iwth the appropriate craft skill.
However, what part is the item creation and what part is the enhanting timing?
Thanks much for the help!
Timdog wrote: I missed the 20000gp for general stuff needed to create a clay golem, can you reference that part for me? All golems have something similar.
Quote: Construction
Requirements Craft Construct, animate objects, bless, commune, prayer, resurrection, creator must be caster level 11th; Skill Craft (sculptures) or Craft (pottery) DC 16; Cost 21,500 gp
That includes the 1500 gp of rare oils and powders, and 20,000gp of various other magical item creation stuff.
I got those numbers from here.
Construction
A clay golem's body must be sculpted from a single block of clay weighing at least 1,000 pounds, treated with rare oils and powders worth 1,500 gp.
CLAY GOLEM
CL 11th; Price 41,500 gp
CONSTRUCTION
Requirements Craft Construct, animate objects, bless, commune, prayer, resurrection, creator must be caster level 11th; Skill Craft (sculptures) or Craft (pottery) DC 16; Cost 21,500 gp
As for the other issue, you can pay someone to make the body with Craft (sculpture), but I'm not sure whether they also need the Craft Construct feat in order to do so. I'm leaning towards no, which means you'd just need to pay for a hireling by the day.
A specialized NPC, say, a level 1 gnome expert, can have something like a +16 in a Craft skill, so they can easily succeed on the DC 20 check by taking 10.
I believe the creation of the body would take up pretty much all of the creation time, but that's another thing I'm really not sure about. If that's the case, it would probably only cost about 40 gp to pay the hireling.
Creating a construct works just like creating any other magical item. You have to have the parts before you start enchanting. So the body will have already been completed before you start the enchanting process.
Avoron wrote: 25000 gp for the general stuff needed to create a shield guardian Not entirely clear, The line is "A shield guardian's base materials cost an additional 25,000 gp above the base golem's cost." Base cost means "final price" or "twice what it costs to craft."
Anyhoo, the amount of time spent making the body is both irrelevant and (due to the nature of the Craft Skill) doesn't gel with the rules for crafting a clay golem. If you try to shoehorn the crafting rules together you end up taking the better part of a year to make the body before enchanting it. OR you could just cast Fabricate and do it twice in less than a minute.
The spellcraft DC for enchanting is a 16 (+5 for every prerequisite you don't have). Enchanting takes either 65 days or 90 days, depending on the ruling regarding the shield guardian price, you can cut that in half for another +5 to the spellcraft DC, but it's still quite a while. And don't forget the prerequisite spells for shield guardian (which the manual does not contain).
Not to be overly semantic, but it doesn't refer to the golem's "base cost," it refers to the "base golem's" cost.
Ah, but that is the question; semantics.
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