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(1) Character A is climbing up a vertical surface (rough wall, cliff, etc.). No gear or special powers: Just a talented free climb.
(2) Character B is flying and wants to remove Character A from said surface and let Character A drop to his/her/its doom.
Where can I find the rules on that?
Honestly, it seems like a simple drag maneuver from the APG ("I drag Character A into thin air and let go"), but Drag precludes a Tiny creature from dislodging a Medium creature. And there's also the question of, "What if said creature has a Climb speed?" Seems like it should be a LOT harder to dislodge a cat from a carpeted wall than a human...
I'm sorry, but if I was free climbing a wall and a 2' lyrakien azata grabbed the back of my shirt and gave a good heave, I would think she'd have a good chance of dislodging me.
Or this another "rules vs. physics" thought process?
I'm just wondering whether one of the APs provided exactly this situation and provided some rules for it.
Damage also forces a climb check to not fall. Bull rush is another option.
Trip him. Ki throw will take care of it.
LOL. I'm dealing with a lyrakien azata here. No ki throws, no earthquakes, and 1d2-3 damage = unlikely to cause any trouble.
So her CMB is good enough that if she harasses one of the climbers enough, she can get one success.
But:
(a) If she grapples the climber, then they're BOTH falling. Not ideal!
(b) The drag rules specifically prohibit her from using drag, but I would think she'd get some kind of "pass" since she's not trying to drag a Medium creature across the ground, she's just trying to pull him off a vertical wall. Seems much easier.
I have to admit, I like the idea of it being a trip. But trip has the same restriction: One size category.
EDIT: For those who care, I'm the GM and it's a private game, so I can house rule anything I want. I was just hoping to have some guidelines to go by before I just said, "Yeah, it's a standard drag but she gets a size category bonus because the person is climbing."
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LOL. I'm dealing with a lyrakien azata here. No ki throws, no earthquakes, and 1d2-3 damage = unlikely to cause any trouble.
So her CMB is good enough that if she harasses one of the climbers enough, she can get one success.
But:
(a) If she grapples the climber, then they're BOTH falling. Not ideal!
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Since the Lyrakien grappled the climber, she is in control of the grapple and can break it as a free action, freeing them both from the grappled condition. Then, she can make her fly check (which is really good) to stop falling. The climber may or may not be able to grab for the cliff face, your call.
Since the Lyrakien grappled the climber, she is in control of the grapple and can break it as a free action, freeing them both from the grappled condition. Then, she can make her fly check (which is really good) to stop falling. The climber may or may not be able to grab for the cliff face, your call.LOL. I'm dealing with a lyrakien azata here. No ki throws, no earthquakes, and 1d2-3 damage = unlikely to cause any trouble.
So her CMB is good enough that if she harasses one of the climbers enough, she can get one success.
But:
(a) If she grapples the climber, then they're BOTH falling. Not ideal!
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Perfect! That's the call I was looking for!
So:
(1) Azata makes successful CMB check to grapple. This causes everyone involved to fall.
(2) In the same round (since it's a free action), Azata frees the grapple and attempts a DC 25 Fly check (collision while flying seems appropriate). Stupid easy for her.
(3) Victim plummets without appropriate Climb/Acrobatics check to try to re-engage the wall.
Seems good to me!
.5) Azata may* face attack of opportunity w/o improved grapple feat.
*(Unlikely from most humanoids climbing w both hands but not impossible with some racial abilities, gear, feats, and classes out there)
Oh, yeah, she'll take the AoO. But with DR 5 against an unarmed strike, she's just not worried about it...
Oh, yeah, she'll take the AoO...
Again, confirm that first, I tried to note in the last post that that step varies. If the climber is unarmed (climb skill w/o using both hands takes a penalty IIRC) and lacks Imp Unarmed feat, and lacks a nat. weapon or a class feature or something, it's possible she won't even risk that. The climber may not threaten to exploit the AoO trigger.
When you grapple a climber, wouldn't you be able to add your weight to its encumbrance?
When you grapple a climber, wouldn't you be able to add your weight to its encumbrance?
This should open a few doors for you. Now, the azata in question are super lite, so no go there, but if one of them had some spellcasting levels she could summon something heavy, that also flies, and could do the dirty work for her. Encumbrance penalties to Str make it much harder to both climb, and resist a grapple.
Wicked food for thought. Most definitely dotted. :)
P.S: At summon monster I you could summon a giant rat right on the wall since it has a climb speed. She orders it to engage by grappling. If successful you just added a 25 lb rat (which is HUGE by real world standards) towards our victims encumbrance. If higher level, then summoning multiple rats, say 4 (eek!) would cause most adventures to drop.