crafting with spellcraft skill

[Driver 325 yards]

So let's say you have Craft Magic Armor & Weapons + Spellcraft skill maxed. Is it the case that you can use the spellcraft skill to make your magic suit of armor instead of using the craft armor skill

[Bob Bob Bob]

You can always use spellcraft for crafting on every magic item I can think of right now. The PRD says "Skill Used in Creation: Spellcraft or Craft (armor)." for magic armor specifically.

[CraziFuzzy]

I believe you can use Spellcraft to enchant a masterwork suit of armor into a magical suit of armor - you cannot use spellcraft to create a masterwork suit of armor.

[Saldiven]

CraziFuzzy is accurate; if you're lacking the Craft: Armor skill, then you'll have to purchase or otherwise obtain the Masterwork armor you wish to enchant.

[Elicoor]

If you use the feat "Master Craftsman" you cannot use Spellcraft either, you have to use the skill associated with your Master Craftsman feat.

[CraziFuzzy]

And in theory, that would apply to all magic item creation. Nothing gets poofed into existence with it - magic items are enchanted from mundane items. The requirement for masterwork mundane item to start with is not written for non-weapon/armor enchanting, mainly because there are no rules for 'masterwork jewelry', but I'd argue they should be of either a decently high quality (cost), or have some other significant history, to allow them to accept the enchantment.

[CraziFuzzy]

Also, keep in mind that there are far more ways to boost a Craft skill check, than there are to boost a Spellcraft skill check.

Traits, Feats, Class Abilities, racial traits, Masterwork tools, etc.

[Kchaka]

Gloves of Elvenkind +5 Competence to Spellcraft

Armillary Amulet +5 Competence to Spellcraft

[Ciaran Barnes]

The Spellcraft skill does not create the armor. It makes the armor magic.

[Diego Rossi]

Kchaka wrote:

Gloves of Elvenkind +5 Competence to Spellcraft

Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Advanced Race Guide

Kchaka wrote:

Armillary Amulet +5 Competence to Spellcraft

Pathfinder Module: From Shore to Sea.

Not exactly common items, the second in particular.

[CraziFuzzy]

Also in the Advanced Race Guide:

Tools, Amazing Tools of Manufacture - which is insanely awesome.

[Lifat]

CraziFuzzy wrote:

Also in the Advanced Race Guide:

Tools, Amazing Tools of Manufacture - which is insanely awesome.

So... Creating a masterwork fullplate for 825 gp in materials in a single hour will certainly make certain crafters filthy rich... Not players however as they would sell it at cost.

[Jadeite]

Lifat wrote:

CraziFuzzy wrote:

Also in the Advanced Race Guide:

Tools, Amazing Tools of Manufacture - which is insanely awesome.

So... Creating a masterwork fullplate for 825 gp in materials in a single hour will certainly make certain crafters filthy rich... Not players however as they would sell it at cost.

If you want to get rich by crafting, play an Alchemist/Daggermark Poisoner.

[CraziFuzzy]

Yeah, that's part of the problem with the fact that the game doesn't actually have an economy. Prices are based on PC balance only - so yes, just about any crafting could break the game if done to excess. That's why there's a blurb in Ultimate Campaign about not allowing crafting for profit - the rules just don't properly support it beyond the basic income from the craft skill.

Also, to get the speed bonus requires 6 ranks in the specific craft skill - which not many NPC's would have. It would likely be the greatest smith in the land to have 6+ levels of expert, AND the capital to afford this amazing set of tools. really, these tools were created to make crafting mundane items not stupid - since the rules simply don't work properly on their own.