Gotcha. Yes using Arcane Training to expand your spell list for wands, scrolls, and staves is a good trick. Costly, since you give up your favored class bonuses, but it is worth it for some builds.it simply means Half Elves can use magic items of any arcane casting class as if they had 1 more level, meaning they can use an item that has a requirement of 10th level at 9th level without rolling, or use a 1st level witch wand without witch levels or UMD. because their effective witch level for item use is 1. it doesn't boost items, it increases options for single classed characters. using consumable items with a higher caster level than your own requires a caster level roll of DC 10+caster level. for example, you can use a scroll of a 6th level wizard spell as a 10th level wizard without a DC21 roll. or your 10th level wizard can use CL1st wands from the bard, witch, summoner and magus lists. or any arcane class, really. without a roll.Don't forget the half-elf's racial Arcane Training ability to use spell trigger and completion items for their class at +1 caster level.How does that help? My inderstanding was that wands, unlike staves, can't use the caster level of the user.
that is the only thing it is good for, expanding your arcane spell list, a pretty potent feature if you allow 3.5 and PF material at the same table in a home game.
that is the only thing it is good for, expanding your arcane spell list, a pretty potent feature if you allow 3.5 and PF material at the same table in a home game.Gotcha. Yes using Arcane Training to expand your spell list for wands, scrolls, and staves is a good trick. Costly, since you give up your favored class bonuses, but it is worth it for some builds.it simply means Half Elves can use magic items of any arcane casting class as if they had 1 more level, meaning they can use an item that has a requirement of 10th level at 9th level without rolling, or use a 1st level witch wand without witch levels or UMD. because their effective witch level for item use is 1. it doesn't boost items, it increases options for single classed characters. using consumable items with a higher caster level than your own requires a caster level roll of DC 10+caster level. for example, you can use a scroll of a 6th level wizard spell as a 10th level wizard without a DC21 roll. or your 10th level wizard can use CL1st wands from the bard, witch, summoner and magus lists. or any arcane class, really. without a roll.Don't forget the half-elf's racial Arcane Training ability to use spell trigger and completion items for their class at +1 caster level.How does that help? My inderstanding was that wands, unlike staves, can't use the caster level of the user.
Not the only thing. It is really nice for a Staff Magus who chooses magus as his favored class. Being able to use staves at one caster level higher is quite valuable if your class is built around using staves. Get an orange prism ioun stone, and you are now using staves at two levels higher than your actual level. And with this build you still get your favored class bonuses.
Interesting! Let's see how this compares to the popular wand of Infernal Healing:
CL 1 Wand of Infernal Healing
Cost: 750 GP
Amount Healed Per Use: 10
Total Health Healed: 500
Price in Gold Pieces Per Hit Point Healed: 1.5 gpI think Infernal Healing is the better option for the witch at low levels, but Hex Vulnerability is a good alternative if the party is squeamish (alignment issues) or on a rush schedule - Infernal healing can take a fair bit of time when you reach the mid levels and have triple digit HP pools.
I was wondering how long it took for someone to post this, didn't take long at all!
Just made a new thread:
Hex Vulnerability + Healing Hex: OP or not OP?
This asks the question of balance. Will this break the game, or is it just more of the same. All opinions welcome.
/cevah
it simply means Half Elves can use magic items of any arcane casting class as if they had 1 more level, meaning they can use an item that has a requirement of 10th level at 9th level without rolling, or use a 1st level witch wand without witch levels or UMD. because their effective witch level for item use is 1. it doesn't boost items, it increases options for single classed characters. using consumable items with a higher caster level than your own requires a caster level roll of DC 10+caster level. for example, you can use a scroll of a 6th level wizard spell as a 10th level wizard without a DC21 roll. or your 10th level wizard can use CL1st wands from the bard, witch, summoner and magus lists. or any arcane class, really. without a roll.Don't forget the half-elf's racial Arcane Training ability to use spell trigger and completion items for their class at +1 caster level.How does that help? My inderstanding was that wands, unlike staves, can't use the caster level of the user.
If that's how it works, it would actually be wands of any spell or caster level; wand use just cares about having the spell on your list at all, not about what caster level you are. (At the cost of losing your favored class bonus for the class you *actually* are, which makes the whole thing of rather questionable value, in my opinion.)
If that's how it works, it would actually be wands of any spell or caster level; wand use just cares about having the spell on your list at all, not about what caster level you are. (At the cost of losing your favored class bonus for the class you *actually* are, which makes the whole thing of rather questionable value, in my opinion.)it simply means Half Elves can use magic items of any arcane casting class as if they had 1 more level, meaning they can use an item that has a requirement of 10th level at 9th level without rolling, or use a 1st level witch wand without witch levels or UMD. because their effective witch level for item use is 1. it doesn't boost items, it increases options for single classed characters. using consumable items with a higher caster level than your own requires a caster level roll of DC 10+caster level. for example, you can use a scroll of a 6th level wizard spell as a 10th level wizard without a DC21 roll. or your 10th level wizard can use CL1st wands from the bard, witch, summoner and magus lists. or any arcane class, really. without a roll.Don't forget the half-elf's racial Arcane Training ability to use spell trigger and completion items for their class at +1 caster level.How does that help? My inderstanding was that wands, unlike staves, can't use the caster level of the user.
while wands don't care about your caster level, scrolls however, do care. it would be wands of any spell of 4th level or lower that appear on any arcane spell list. because you can't make wands of 5th level or higher spells. it has a benefit in that you can use like 90 percent of the spells of 4th level or lower if you have the wand. it however falls apart if the wand is of a spell that only appears in divine or psionic form
They can use spell trigger and spell completion items for their favored class as if 1 level higher.
No, I'm really perplexed about all of your interpretations.
If it was increasing their own CL for the purposes of using itmes, then either of these statements would be clear. "They are treated as one level higher when using spell trigger or spell completion items." or "They can use spell trigger and spell completion items for their favored class as if they were 1 level higher." Both of these statements clearly mean your interpretation.
But since the subject is not clearly reintroduced or specifically referenced, nor is it arranged in such a way that the improvement of the caster level is added to the user of the item rather than the item itself, the clear reading of the PRD would be that the item is considered 1 level higher. This is bad news for staff users, but quite nice for wand and scroll users (although hardly game-breaking).
It is a bit confusing since "they" could refer to the half-elves or the spell completion or trigger items, but since the increase is in the predicate instead of the subject, it makes far more sense to understand it applying to the object of the verb instead of the subject.
If any of you have any developer statements stating the opposite, I'd be willing to concede RAI, but RAW really leans in favor of my interpretation in my opinion, and I'm not alone in this either.
Half-elves occasionally seek tutoring to help them master the magic in their blood. Half-elves with this racial trait have only one favored class, and it must be an arcane spellcasting class. They can use spell trigger and spell completion items for their favored class as if one level higher (or as a 1st-level character if they have no levels in that class). This racial trait replaces the multitalented racial trait.
This means they can use scrolls without CL checks if they are 1 level short. For example, Scroll of 3-Fireball can be used by a 4th level half elf wizard without needing to make a CL 5 check, even though others must be 5th level to avoid the check.
This means that the half-elf fighter 5 with wizard as a favored class can use wands of wizard spells without UMD because they count as Wizard 1 for using such.
This means that the 9th level half elf wizard can use the 8th level staff of Fireballs at 10th level rather than 9th. This is the only case where the trait empowers a spell, due to the way staves use your CL. It could be argued, but I think RAI it works.
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You missed the text:But since the subject is not clearly reintroduced or specifically referenced, nor is it arranged in such a way that the improvement of the caster level is added to the user of the item rather than the item itself, the clear reading of the PRD would be that the item is considered 1 level higher. This is bad news for staff users, but quite nice for wand and scroll users (although hardly game-breaking).
It is a bit confusing since "they" could refer to the half-elves or the spell completion or trigger items, but since the increase is in the predicate instead of the subject, it makes far more sense to understand it applying to the object of the verb instead of the subject.
If any of you have any developer statements stating the opposite, I'd be willing to concede RAI, but RAW really leans in favor of my interpretation in my opinion, and I'm not alone in this either.
(or as a 1st-level character if they have no levels in that class)
This clearly explains that is it your effective class level in your favored class.
/cevah
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Out of curiosity, would it be possible to craft a ring of hex vulnerability to make the wearer permanently susceptible to your hexs?Yes. Cursed item I say. Wearer cannot take it off. He is forever more doomed to get constant healing from you. I could see a NE witch chaining up people in her dungeon with these rings... and go Kathy Bates / Misery on them... very eeeeeeeeeevil!
I'm more interested in it for use with my shaman who has access to a myriad of more interesting friendly "once per 24 hours" hexes. :-)