Necklace of the Fey Child and Lore Oracle ( Lore Keeper ) Revelation

[Desmond Shannon 762]

I was wondering if the Necklace Fey Child ( magic item )or circlet of persuasion would work with the Lore Keeper revelation. Went through another strange ruling today..Appreciate any input.

[Avoron]

I believe it would, simply because a check is Charisma-based if it's bonus is dependent on charisma.

Similar questions have come up before, but there's one that really stands out. If an ability, such as the Wisdom in the Flesh trait or that one investigator archetype, makes a skill that is ordinarily based on Strength or Dexterity instead based on a different ability score, say, Intelligence or Wisdom, does the skill still take armor check penalties?

The rules seem a bit contradictory about this. They say that your armor check penalties apply to strength and dexterity-based skill checks, but they also say that they apply to the specifically marked skills. But what if those skills aren't actually based on strength or dexterity?

[James Risner]

My interpretation of the rules:
You may use Charisma instead of Blah.

In those cases it would work.

You may add Charisma in addition to Blah.

In those cases it would not work.

It isn't spelled out in the rules, so ultimately ask your GM. If PFS, expect table variance.

[Desmond Shannon 762]

Ah thank you. I really do appreciate your input. That helps me a lot.

[andreww]

James Risner wrote:

My interpretation of the rules:

You may use Charisma instead of Blah.

In those cases it would work.

You may add Charisma in addition to Blah.

In those cases it would not work.

It isn't spelled out in the rules, so ultimately ask your GM. If PFS, expect table variance.

I would go with this although expect some table variation in PFS. Fortunately Lore Keeper is the former as is Noble Scion of War and Sidestep Secret for reflex saves.

[Desmond Shannon 762]

Ah thanks, I ask only because I use a bard/lore oracle...So want to make sure for PFS that it is legal, wording to me seems really strange....I kind of think the Necklace would work, but not the circlet simply because the Circlet says "based" which to me means originally in my eyes...

[James Risner]

Desmond Shannon 762 wrote:

Circlet says "based" which to me means originally in my eyes...

SKR responded in a thread on the Circlet with Cha to Initiative confirming you get the circlet bonus to Init because it is "Cha-Based" by saying "did you add cha to it?" or something similar.

Using that logic it could also be argued that "in addition to" could also qualify for Cha-based, but expect a lot more GM resistance to that stance.

[blackbloodtroll]

Now we have multisources, so these two items could apply to much more.

[Desmond Shannon 762]

Ah that makes since...well if it works mainly for the circlet then thats good enough for me..lol. Which means most my skills...Those items should possibly cost more then what they are sold for, ( well on second thought its not REALLY hurting the game that much. )

[Desmond Shannon 762]

So only the necklace would work on Everything including the Lore keeper revelation correct? since the necklace doesnt specify, Just says Charisma Checks, ( not the part about interacting with Gnomes? )